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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:03:53 +0200 (EET)
From: Jukka Laari <jlaari-AT-tukki.jyu.fi>
Subject: Re: dialectics



Refreshing, Ralph, very refreshing indeed. Thank you! And yet I have 
couple of questions or comments:

On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Ralph Dumain wrote:

> ...  One
> doesn't just turn Hegel upside down, one transforms logical method
> and structure in the process.

Yes. Exactly. But how that happens?

> The real problem is that one can't really understand objective
> dialectics until one has understood subjective dialectics.  Put
> simply: how can one understand what a "contradiction" in nature
> would be until one understands the nature of what such apparent
> contradictions mean in thought?

Is it really that simple? (a) "We can't really understand subjective 
dialectics until we have understood the objective one." That is as 
plausible as your first sentence. (b) How can we grasp or understand what 
a contradiction is until we have experienced it factually...? (c) What I 
was trying to say was that it sounds quite undialectical to state that it 
is the (conceptual) thought of contradiction which finally delivers us 
the Secrets of Contradiction (After all, it can be said that we learn at 
least something very homologous to logical contradiction much earlier 
than we learn to speak and argue conceptually). (d) Isn't that 
contradiction of subjective versus objective, or of idealist versus 
materialist, one of the very questions that define dialectics?

Jukka Laari


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