Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 23:33:22 GMT From: Ron Press <anclondon-AT-gn.apc.org> Subject: Dialectics Hi I think that there is a lot of misunderstanding about science and mathematics for that matter. Some propositions in mathematics can be prooved to be unproovable. Not that there is no solution but that to seek for a solution is to persue the unknoable. The first thoughts about the electron foe example was that it was a particle. Then it was shown that it acted as a wave. So they decided it was uncertain what it was. Then they developed quantum mechanics and could manipulate the problem of the wave/particle duality, and solve many problems about the existance and behaviour of this thing called an electron. It was not a wave or a particle but it obeyed certain quantum mechanical equations. One thing was certain. It could not travel faster than light. Neither as a wave or a particle. However there are certain circumstances where to explain the results of an experiment require that a message to be transmitted from a to b faster than light. There are considerable differences of opinion in physics about quantum mechanics. Bohm and his school for example has a fundamentally different view from that of many other major aothorities in this sphere. The big bang and professor Hawkins are buildt on foundations of sand. What I am saying is that the problems of understsanding society, of the philosophers, of the economists, cannot be said to, be different fundamentally form that of the mathematician or the physicist. There is no prospect of reason or logic or the application of marxist dialectics creating a utopia as suggested by one contributer. But there is the distinct possibility that if we understand the dialectics or the logic or use reason we can have a better understanding of how society works. Just as quantum mechanics allows us to use and control the electron we as a society could do the same with society. Just as our understanding of quantum mechanics is and will remain imperfect so will it be with society. Non the less if we learn how to prise the fruits of our labour out of the hands of the few into the hands of the many my grandchildren will at least be a bit better off. I beleive an understanding of dialectics will help. Ron Press. If there are any geneticists amongst us perhaps there is a gene.!!! --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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