Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 01:36:20 -0500 From: XTROT666-AT-AOL.COM Subject: Re: stalinism vs the working class alfred joseph writes: >You mentioned something about "gulags, purges, mass murder". Making revolution is no tea party.< Even less of a tea party for the workers, revolutionaries and general innocents that are murdered or imprisoned when Stalinism consolidates its rule. >Go back a few years to the Sandinistas, they held state power. Instead of physically destroying the officer corps and the remnants of the various police elements, they were allowed to go free for the most part. The majority of this scum formed the backbone of the murderous Reagan-created contra army. Instead of trying to impress the racist slime in the US congress with how "democratic" they can be they should have been trying to build an egalitarian society. < Its easy to second guess the Sandinistas for not holding the type of executions that Cuba held after its revolution. But this did not keep the US from forming a proxy army in that case as well (bay of pigs). Besides, if the Sandanista's had shot half the population in the back of the head, it wouldn't have delayed their downfall one hour. Funny that AJ regards the Sandanista's lack of slaughter as purely a strategic decision, and not resulting from the fact that maybe they, for all their faults, were pretty decent folks. >Where did all of these horror stories about Uncle Joe come from? Again recent history can provide some insight. Think of all the outright lies told by the media, and allies of Imperialism about the goings on in Kuwait after the Iraqis invaded. Remember the "incubator babies", the milk factory that was a "poison gas factory"< Actually, no. The horror stories about uncle joe came from sources like Victor Serge (long before Solzhnitzyn), from the exiled revolutionaries who weren't murdered, and from some guy named Kruschev (a CIA spy and provocatuer, no doubt). Most of the early stories about the USSR concocted by the US were of the ridiculous variety. Take a more modern example, Cuba. Homophobic America never criticized Cuba for its horrible policies against homosexuals during the 1970's (were these homosexuals agents of imperialism?). And today, robert torricelli and Mas Canosa rarely mention imprisoned dissidents by name in Cuba, mainly due to the fact that most of them (exiled or not) do not support the US embargo or the CIA, and many of them in Cuba (and in jail) still consider themselves supporters of the revolution. There are reasons why imperialists prefer concocted lies to the real sins of places like the USSR. Both Hungary (1956) and Berlin (1953) are part of those reasons. >Are you afraid to challenge your preconceptions. If this country had a revolution there would be literally millions who would oppose the new order. Some would engage in sabotage within and other would leave these shores and spread propaganda for the enemies of revolution. The Soviet Union was no different. Some had to be imprisoned. Some had to be shot. Get over it. The games are starting. Grow up. Whose side are you on? < I'm glad to hear that you are revolutionary enough to fight to the last drop of someone elses blood (kind of a stalinist Henry Kissinger). The thing that bothers me the most is your unwillingness to see how stalinist bureaucracies can be an impediment, or a destroyer of revolution. Who told the workers in France in 68 to go back to work? The CP. Who tried to make a deal with the Vietnames revolutionaries to chill out a bit? The CP. Who crushed the workers in Hungary and Berlin? The CP. Who wouldn't support the general strike against Batista? The CP. Who murdered the revolutionaries in Barcelona? The CP. The list could go on and on. As Fernando Claudin once said, the stalinists were the best thing to happen to imperialism, at a time when it was threatened with worker rebbelions all over the world. The games are starting? Forget it. McDonalds is in Red Square. The GAMES are over. Time to come up with PLAN B. What's plan B you ask? Something this side of murdering the workers. Don Kenner --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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