File spoon-archives/marxism.archive/marxism_1995/95-11-marxism/95-11-27.000, message 198


Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:24:51 -0800
From: iwp.ilo-AT-ix.netcom.com (CEP )
Subject: Re: fascism and unions and the masses


You wrote: 
>
>Carlos presented some very rough images of the political concrete 
forms
>taken by this national process along the last 55 years. Some of them 
can be
>helpful for people not in direct touch with Argentina;

    Carlos Replies:
    That was exactly the intention of my previous posting

    Juan Inigo wrote:

 the following one is
>an absurd:
>
>Communists supported Peronists unconditionally for a
>    while  (at the time of its decay during the early 80s) and so they
>    gave him the mantle of "progressivenes" they needed to rcuperate
>    their influence in the working class.
>
>The assertion that the Peronists needed to "recuperate" their 
"influence"
>in the working class involves, to be polite, a double inversion. 
Peronism
>massively _is_ the ideological and practical political expression of 
the
>Argentine working class since 1945.

        Carlos Replies:
        "Ideological and practical political expression of the          
        Argentine working class"?  Well, this is a discovery of
        Juan Inigo.  It is the basic theses of evey bourgeois
        thinker in Argentina since aproximately 1949.  This
        is however, not true.  Peronism represents the level
        of consciousness of the argentine working class, and not
        from 1945, but as a recurrent phenomenae.  In 1945, this
        consciousness advanced until the point of developing
        a "laborParty" counsiousness.  So Peron imprisoned the
        leaders of the recently formed Labor Party and dissolved
        its organization.
        Ideological and practical political expresion?  There were
        many, since those ideological and political expressions were
        determined by the prxis of the working class as a whole an/or
        of its vanguard at different times.  
        That praxis suffered transformations and changes, evolutions
        and regressions as the class struggle progressed or felt back.
        From 1943 (not 1945!) until 1945 was anti-imperialist (and
        Peronism was just a pehnomenoa in formation).  The              
        tradeunionist and labor party stage, thenthe stage of "building
        the contruland" on national bourgeois basis, national inddustry 
        and reproduction of capital by intensive labor which determined
        its political ideology and practical actions around issues of
        tradeunionism and nationalism.  In 1951/54, around the time of
        the Congress of Productivity, when Peron and Peronism wanted to
        I believe, genuiniley advance in the capitalist transformation
        with arcaic reproduction of intensive labor plus some           
        modernization, the troubles between Peronism and the working    
        class started, until 1954.  The the conflicts with Peronism
        of the Church and the oligarchy (landowners) deepened and
        produced, still, another "ideological andpractical" praxis
        of the working class: they wanted to advance in the struggle
        against the Church and sectors of the bourgeoisie beyond the
        desires of Peron.  They radicalized.
        After the gorilla coup d'etat, a bloody coup against peronism
        orchestrated 'AGAINST THE WORKING CLASS AND NOT AGAINST PERON,
        THE WORKING CLASS INITIATED WHAT IT WAS NAMED AS 'La            
        Resistencia', a democratic, tradeunion-centered, mass           
        mobilization that was led by an alliance of the left wing of
        Peronism and sectors of the so called "emerging left" (non
        traditional formation, including petit-bourgeois elements).
        El Cordobazo, a working classs semi-insurrection, overthrew
        one dictatorship and left non-Peronist left wing leaderships
        in the most important sectors of the industrial working class.
        This was an ideological and practical representation of the
        working class hardly of the Peronist type.
        The new military, "soft" government of Lanusse was forced to
        call elections and negotiate with Peron "the great national
        accord" in ORDER TO PREVENT, once again, the ideological and
        practical ADVANCE OF THE WORKING CLASS beyond the control
        of bourgeois politics.  So Peron returned in 1973, but he did
        when a "left-wing Peronist" government, led by Campora and
        influenced heavily by "Montoneros" took over after winning the
        elections.  At his arrival at the Ezeiza Airport, over a 
        million people went tosee him.  The right wing of Peronism
        unleashed a military attack against the left-wing which costed
        over 600 lives.
        Peron forced the resignation of Campora, selected Isabel as his
        mate, won re=election and started a process of bloody purges
        in his own movement.  Isabel created the Trple A (the anti-
        communist Alliance) to assasinate leaders of the left, working
        class opponents and started what it was called the "dirty war"
        When Isabel and Peronism were incapable of stopping the working
        class development, the military organized a coup d'etat and
        continued the tasks of attacking the working class.  Thousands
        upon thousands of workers, intellectuals, journalists and left
        wing activists were "dissappeared", murdered or imprisoned in
        the period 1976-1982.
        Then came the war with Britain over the Malvinas, the return of
        Democracy with the victory, not of Peronism but of the UCR and
        then, only then the return of Peronism.
        My point being on all these accounts is that the "ideological
        and practical" representations of the working class were many.
        Why people like Juan believe that workers are just Peronists
        and that is their only political ideology and practical repre-
        sentation is more linked with the defeats suffered by the       
        working class by the bourgeoisie in Argentina.

        But also by the reformism and capitulation of the left at 
        differen0t stages:  1) In 1945 they supported American          
        Imperialism and the Union Democratica against the working
        class; 2) During the coup d'etat in 1955, they supported it and 
        some Communists and Socialdemocrats participated in the
        military dictatoship government.  One of them said referring
        to the resistance put up by the working class: "The lesson
        with blood will be learned"  The only exception to this capi-
        tulation were the Trotskyists who oppossed the coup d'etat
        and fought in the streets agains the military; 3) During the
        time of "La Resistencia" 1955-1965, the majoirty of the left
        was either inactive, went to the guerrilla movement or the 
        National Liberation Movement (MLN) or directly supported the
        different governments (military or "democratic).  Again, the
        only exception were the Trotskyists that participated in the
        "Standing 62 Organizations", a tradeunion allaince of many
        unions that organized strikes, rebellions and street agitation;
        4) During 1969-1973 the traditional left (Communists and many
        Socialists) supported critically Peronism in its "left wing
        prevalent version" and oppossed the Maoists, Trotskyists and
        independent radical tradeunionists emerging from "EL            
        Cordobazo"; 5) When Peron started purging the left wing from
        Peronism, communists and other traditional leftists, split
        between supporting Peronism or the left wing; 6) During the
        "dirty war" Socialdemocrats and Communists traveled around the
        world defending the "nationalistic" virtues of the military
        dictatorship and "establishing" the exxagerations of the
        accounts of reppression;only exception to this, again,          
        Trotskyists of the then PST and other smaller left-wing         
        formations and, of coursem, the residues of the guerrilla
        movement (except that of Montoneros led by Firmenich that by
        1979 was already making "deals" with the military).; 7) When
        "Democracy" returned, Communists supported the most decomposed
        sector of the Peronist Party and they LOST THE ELECTION TO THE
        HANDS OF THE Radical Party; and so on, and on.  As you can see
        a very reformist, at times counter-revolutionary strategy of
        Communists and Socialdemocrats and the physical defeat of the
        working class through repression, coup d'etats and purges was
        what Inigo call "the ideological and practical" representation
        od the Argentina's working class.  With all due respect, that's
        is BS.
            
          
    Juan Inigo Insist:

             Peronism never needed the Communist
>party to acquire a "mantle of "progressivenes"" for whichever purpose. 
In
>fact, one of its basic slogans, specially claimed by the main line 
inside
>the unions, goes: "ni Yankees ni Marxistas, Peronistas!" It was the
>Communist party (which, by the way, is obviously far from including
>everyone that would call themselves communists here) that was running
>behind the Peronists, just to get kicked by them. In fact, the 
Communist
>party is currently seen here (except by its members, of course) as 
what we
>call a "pianta votos" (more or less, makes-votes-flee).
>

        Carlos Replies:

        Peron's first "theoreticians" as a "national bourgeois          
        progressive and revolutionary movement" came out of the
        Communist Party and the left wing of the Radical Party
        in 1945.  Peron aseduced them to write and propagate the
        myth of national revolution.

        All the first cadre of Peronism came from the CP and the
        Socialdemocracy when Peronism started.  peron concessions
        to the working class have, as a central design to attract
        the support of the working class against his opponents in
        some sectors of the bourgeoisie.  iN ORDER TO DO THIS MADE
        CONCESSIONS TO THE WORKERS AND NEEDED TO ATTRACT LEFT WING
        TRADENUIONISTS (THEN THE DOMINANT FORCE IN THE TRADEUNION
        MOVEMENT).
    
        After the coup d'etat in 1955, Peron appealed to leftists
        and dependend upon them to led the internal struggle in
        Argentina agains the different military governments and
        the fraudulent "democratic governments".  Soon after 1969
        he did all possible efforts to coopt the emerging, left wing
        leaders of the tradeunion movement.  So did, until 1973
        when he gave them the finger and started to purge them.  In
        all these instances he did agreements with left wing 
        leaders, including sporadic agreements with the CP.

        In the early 1980s, there were attempts to utilize the left
        in order to compensdate the influence of the corrupt labor
        bureaucracy (who were then the piantavotos).

        "Neither Yankees nor Marxists" was the slogan of the right
        wing of the labor bureaucracy when they were a minority in
        the working class in late 60s.  It was the slogan of the
        right wing of Peronism when they fought the left wing of
        Peronism in 1970s and it  is now the slogan of the corrupt
        right wing bureaucracy in some unions today.  Was never the
        slogan of the working class.  The fact that the equivalent
        of the AFL-CIO is now divided in three in Argentina and that
        that slogan is theofficial slogan of only ONE FACTION OF
        ONE OF THE THE THREE CENTRALS IS SOME INDICATIONS.            

        jUAN iNIGO WROTE:

>Still, the true limitation of Carlos' presentation of the concrete
>political forms taken by the Argentine process of capital accumulation
>lies, precisely, in that he has abstracted the former from its
>determinations by the specificity of the latter. This abstraction
>immediately shows when he ends up bringing down every determination to
>political "mistakes," "stupidity," "lack of understanding," or 

        cARLOS rEPLIES:

        I was not trying to give a complete picture of peronism and
        the reasons of its existence.  I was just trying to deny the
        "stupid" notion that Peronism was fascism.

    Juan Inigo wrote:

>Hasn't Carlos ever thought that each process of capital accumulation
>produces the labor-power, therefore the working class, that it needs 
to put
>into action according to its specific conditions? and that the 
material
>specific form that this labor-power is thus determined to take, 
develops
>itself by taking concrete shape in the political consciousness and 
action,
>both of the working-class and the bourgeoisie? Where do "concessions 
to the
>working class" get in here?
>

        Carlos Replies:

    
    Capital accumulation creates the conditions of development of the
    working class but does not determine its scope of action as class
    nor its conciousness.  Your assertion on the contrary is not new,
    it is the prevalent one among Peronists.  What shape working class
    counciousness is the class struggle.  The fact that workers in
    Argentina are still Peronists is the results of 30 years of         
    political and physical defeats.

    An yes, together with these developments were some stupid things
    done by many leftists, including the fact they theorize about
    the Peronist counciousness of the working class instead of seeing
    it a mediated, transitory, result of social and political           
    conditions and not an inescapable expresion of ideological and
    practical representation of the working class.  We had too many
    peole killed as to accept this missrepresentation of Marxism.

    Comradely,
    Carlos



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