Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 14:03:29 GMT From: Adam Rose <adam-AT-pmel.com> Subject: Re: Trade Union Bureaucracy Steve Wallis: > > i) "some in leading positions in trade unions (they are not all bureaucrats)" > > He is making an underhand attack on Militant Labour, since some of our > members are in leading positions (though not leading an entire trade union). Actually, I wasn't. When I want to attack the role of Militant Trade Union Officials, I will, and I will do so explicitly. I was explaining why I think that the fundamental difference is between the rank + file and the Trade Union Bureaucracy, not between right officials and their supporters and left officials and their supporters. Steve, if you disagree with this, say so. Louis: > > > > As a result of this essential nature, it is an absolute certainty that the > > Labour Party "will shift significantly to the left in the future". > > Because the Labour Party is a Capitalist Workers Party, it reflects, albeit > > in a distorted from, the moods in the working class. This is precisely why > > it is neccessary to build a left alternative to it : it is the left > > reformists who get a militant working class back on constitutional rails, > > not the right. > > > > I suppose the left alternative you are pushing for would have your analysis > of the class nature of the former Soviet Union and Cuba today. Yecchh! > Don't just slag me off - take up my argument. I could descend to your level by calling you a semi reconstructed Stalinist - but that would be pointless. "it is the left reformists who get a militant working class back on constitutional rails, not the right." Right or wrong ? Scargill has not denounced Bill Morris, the dockers union leader, for not supporting the Liverpool dockers. Is this an oversight, or does this stem from Scargill's role as a Trade Union Bureaucrat ? Scargill wants the Socialist Labour Party, like the Labour Party, to win the affiliations of national Trade Unions. Will this hamper the SLP's members ( if it ever exists ) to critisize the leaders of that union or not ? > Sounds like Scargill is doing the right thing. This SLP might turn out to > be a party in the mold of the Worker's Party in Brazil, started by another > militant trade unionist, Lula. I like Lula, I like Scargill. Long live > left-wing worker's parties that have no positions on the Spanish Civil War, > the class nature of the former USSR, Kronstadt, etc.! > If Scargill had led a split from the Labour Party in 1984-5, your comparison would be reasonable. As it is, it just doesn't match reality. Not a single MP has spoken up for him. Not a single national trade union figure, not even a regional official ( as far as I know ) has spoken out. However, your example is a good one to illustrate the general trend : the PT started as a working class party associated with a new , militant working class movement and, while it still has its working class roots, is now quite obviously a reformist party ie it is committed to running the capitalist system - so municipal workers in San Paulo have had to strike against the PT administration to win reforms ( or even maintain what they already have ). Should these strikes be encouraged by revolutionaries or not ? When their PT union leaders try to sell out or wind down the action against the PT council, should these union leaders be critisized or not ? Should it be isolated individuals critisizing, or an organisation ? Should this organisation simply exist when such a strike arises and then disolve itself, or should it try to win people to a general understanding of, amongst other things, reformism and the trade union Bureaucracy ? Adam. Adam Rose SWP Manchester UK --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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