Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:12:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Chegitz Guevara <mluziett-AT-shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: ON PHILOSOPHY, MARX, ENGELS, LENIN, C.L.R. JAMES


On Sun, 26 Nov 1995 ROSSERJB-AT-vax1.acs.jmu.edu wrote:

>      Who "established" this?  A bunch of party hacks 
> bootlicking for Lenin and Stalin.  Marx wrote on
> dialectics and a dialectical approach to history 
> he called "historical materialism."  There is much
> to defend here.  He did NOT get into defending Hegel's
> silly notions about dialectical models of physics that
> Engels did fall for (duh, positive-negative electricity
> is "dialectical," hot stuff, and, wow, phase transitions
> between water and ice prove dialectics, duh).  

You are so amazingly stupid, it simply astounds me. The "The Dialectics 
of Nature," were, as Ralph has mention, notes, to himself, as he tried to 
figure out things. Ok smart guy, if Engels didn't know what the fuck he 
was talking about vis a vie dialectics, then how come Marx didn't take 
him to task while he was editing Anti-Duhring for Engels? He had several 
large chapters, in the beginning I might add, on philosphy, and the 
"laws" of dialectics. Why didn't Marx say, "Hey Fred, You're trying to 
distort me?" Why didn't Marx discover his comrades deviences back when 
they were writing "The German Ideology" and "The Holy Family?" Face it, 
you don't know what you're talking about.

>      It was
> Engels misinterpretations AFTER MARX'S DEATH which triggered
> my initial contribution to this thread.  They laid the 
> foundation for Lysenkoism (proven to be "dialectical materialist" 
> by that most supreme of Leninist authorities, J.V. Stalin) and a 
> lot other really ridiculous garbage such as the harassing of
> Shostakovich, etc.

Please point to the qualitative change in Engels work that demonstrates
your theory. Even "Dialectics of Nature" was worked on before Marx's
death, so you can't use that (my copy says "Written in the main from 1873
to 1882). 

>     Don't tell me how "authorities have shown."  Show me and
> us where Marx used a "dialectical materialist" method in his
> analysis of physical reality like Engels did.

Marx never analyzed physical reality, although you can show numerous 
instances in which he referred to its premacy of human existence.

> Clearly you
> accept that neither he nor Engels used the term itself.

"A rose by any other name, smells just as sweet."

> Barkley Rosser

Marc, "the Chegitz," Luzietti
http://shrike.depaul.edu/~mluziett

I'm not anti-society, society's anti-me
I'm not anti-religion, religion's anti-me
I'm not anti-tradition, tradition's anti-me
I'm not anti-anything, I just want to be free.

Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies



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