Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:43:18 -0500 From: UticaRose-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: My purposes in joining this list In a message dated 95-11-20 02:39:18 EST, you write: >So despite what some of you might think, I am very sympathetic > to Marx's thought and to the intellectual and political renewal > of Marxism and socialism in today's world. What I was trying to > do in my previous contributions to this list was to suggest: > > 1. that there are serious problems with adopting a dogmatic, > physical-reductionist, scientism reminiscent of 19th materialism > in today's intellectual and scientific context <see the last of > my posts on "vulgarities">; > marx was no dogmatic, physical-reductionist, scientist. he spent most of his time criticising those on the left who pushed those ideas. > 2. that it would be better to read Marx in a more humanistic/ > Aristotelian/Hegelian spirit--as many more recent views of Marx > suggest we should <and on the basis of Marx's own texts, too> marx was most decidedly against hegel and it is a travesty to turn marx back to what he so effectively criticized. as i recall, he also took up (intellectualy) with greek opponents of aristotle. marx does not need to be read MORE humanistically but more scientifically. hal draper did a very good job of clearing the stalinist crap off of marx and his approach. you might well read draper. > --so that we can handle problems about ethics and the role of > reason in history, in logic and mathematics, and in science > itself in a more satisfactory way. You know the kind of thing: > we are human beings, not just collections of atoms <humanism>; > matter is never without "form" <Aristotle>; we are not just > animals, we are rational animals <well, some of us are, I hope>, > and our rationality unfolds and develops historically and socially > <Aristotle as corrected by Hegel>; > whether we are human beings OR collections of atoms, that is besides the point with marx. the point is to change the way things are and to create a world in which humans can begin to address these issues without the delusions and illusions created by the commodity model of human relationships. > 3. that because of the blindingly obvious fact that, however > you add up the pluses and minuses, all previous *attempts* at > instituting a totally planned economy have not resulted, to say > the least, in vast increases in working-class enthusiasm for > the cause of socialism, it is urgent that we think more > carefully about how we go about the task of using planning > first to subordinate the market, and then to make it wither. > I realize that whether we should call what these previous > attempts did result in, "planned economies", is doubtful; but > be that as it may, the attempts were *travesties* of what Karl M > had in mind, and that gives the point to serious rethinking > on this subject. sure, but where does this bring us. very few argue any more that the USSR was any kind of a model. we had 1,2,3 and many USSRs around the world and none of them functioned as a socialist society worthy of emulation. capitalism creates the planning models through its development and they are enticing with the vast productivity increases obtained. --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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