Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Peter Burns <rburns-AT-scf.usc.edu> Subject: My purposes in joining this list First, though it will probably invite ridicule from some on this list who profess to love and serve 'humanity', a prefatory autobiographical note: I grew up in a poor working-class neighborhood in poor, working-class Glasgow <Scotland> in the 60s. Because my father was never paid more than a pittance and couldn't afford any better, my 'bed' was a baby's cot in my parent's bedroom in my grandparents' 2 bedroom tenement flat until I was 8. My sister slept on the couch until she was 12. Cars and telephones were things well-off people had. At least *we* had a <tiny> bathroom; but I went to school with kids whose homes didn't even have a toilet--they had to share a single toilet with no bath for the whole tenement. I read the Communist Manifesto at age 11, and though I admit to getting more 'socialist motivation' from reading the gospels when I was 15, I realized from a young age that Karl M was definitely on to something. My father was unemployed for 6 years before he finally "retired" and my sister is, as I write, in serious danger of having her house repossessed, with her, her husband, and her 3 kids thrown out on the street. Am I strongly pro-working class and anti-capitalist? You're damn right I am! So despite what some of you might think, I am very sympathetic to Marx's thought and to the intellectual and political renewal of Marxism and socialism in today's world. What I was trying to do in my previous contributions to this list was to suggest: 1. that there are serious problems with adopting a dogmatic, physical-reductionist, scientism reminiscent of 19th materialism in today's intellectual and scientific context <see the last of my posts on "vulgarities">; 2. that it would be better to read Marx in a more humanistic/ Aristotelian/Hegelian spirit--as many more recent views of Marx suggest we should <and on the basis of Marx's own texts, too> --so that we can handle problems about ethics and the role of reason in history, in logic and mathematics, and in science itself in a more satisfactory way. You know the kind of thing: we are human beings, not just collections of atoms <humanism>; matter is never without "form" <Aristotle>; we are not just animals, we are rational animals <well, some of us are, I hope>, and our rationality unfolds and develops historically and socially <Aristotle as corrected by Hegel>; 3. that because of the blindingly obvious fact that, however you add up the pluses and minuses, all previous *attempts* at instituting a totally planned economy have not resulted, to say the least, in vast increases in working-class enthusiasm for the cause of socialism, it is urgent that we think more carefully about how we go about the task of using planning first to subordinate the market, and then to make it wither. I realize that whether we should call what these previous attempts did result in, "planned economies", is doubtful; but be that as it may, the attempts were *travesties* of what Karl M had in mind, and that gives the point to serious rethinking on this subject. Jim J correctly pointed out that leftwing priests are a distinct minority. An even more distinct minority are those self-styled marxist regimes which greatly added to the credit of socialism with the international proletariat, or achieved *lasting* contentment for their domestic populations. Now my attempts to explain part 2> were not very effective because of the dogmatism and Dumainesque abuse that greeted my arrival on this list, as well as the uninformed views of part 1> that were on display from some others. Many *physicists* <like Davies and Penrose, whose books I've mentioned>--the people whose job is the rational study of matter--i.e. not just "bourgeois/idealist" philosophers, are discarding scientistic forms of materialism in favor of a more nuanced account that gives an irreducible role to mind and reason, and I think it is unwise for Marxists to ignore this *scientific* development. And as for part 3> Louis P tells us that he's going off to think about things for 3 or 4 years, so I suppose I'll just have to wait. I came on this list because I have marxist friends like David Schweickart <AGAINST CAPITALISM> and Rodney Peffer <MARXISM, MORALITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE> whose ideas I greatly respect, and which I wanted to explore with sympathetic minds. I thought that given the fact that slaughtering priests has generally not turned out to be a big vote-getter among the working class around the world, people on this list would not mind too much if a sympathetic priest showed up. The Cuban Communist Party dropped its ban on Christians joining up several years ago, so I thought I could get by on this list without much more than a spot of gentle rib-poking on the religious issue. But no! The pernicious influence of a Jesuit education on Fidel Castro is revealed at last! I admit to now feeling somewhat discouraged from even bothering to continue on this list. I thought we could respect each other's differences over the reasonability of religious belief; I didn't really want to get into religion, but felt I had to respond when my intelligence and conscience were subjected to ill-informed disdain. I admit to using some condescending language too, but I think a fair reading of the record reveals that I was severely provoked. I would prefer at this stage just to concentrate on the ways in which marxist philosophy and economics can be revitalized in the light of recent politics and recent science. But if marxists can't engage in these issues without insulting people's intelligence and consciences, then they are going to go nowhere fast, intellectually *or* politically--which I am sure you'd agree would be a GREAT PITY. A final autobiographical note: when I was child I was spat at in the street because I went to a Catholic school <these are fully part of the state system in Scotland, BTW>. Since then I have always had an aversion to being spat at physically or verbally, and to bigotry in any form, Catholic, Protestant, or atheistic. Peter --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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