Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:48:01 -0500
From: "Charles K. MacKay" <ckmackay-AT-postoffice.ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Caring and freedom are oxymorons


What about "the leap from the kingdom of necessity to the kingdom of 
freedom" somewhere in the early Marx?

Chris, London wrote:
> 
> Hi Frank,
> 
> I was very pleased to see you had come back. I was afraid in all
> the bustle we had lost you. IMO contributions such as yours
> greatly add to the range and the strength of this list.
> Everyone is democratically equal in front of the electron. We have
> a span of age and experience stretcing across at least 50 and 
perhaps
> 60 years, and 26 countries.
> 
> You are at the cutting edge of the new world. Especially your 
experience
> of what your friends think is valuable. If we cannot convince 
people
> under the age of 20 of the relevance of marxism, we have lost. If 
we
> can convince them, in terms of their own lives, we have won!
> 
> And thanks for the stimulation with the dictionary (it seems we 
need
> italian, german and greek dictionaries too). So an oxymoron is a 
sharp-dull,
> a vivid contrast and apparent contradiction to make a point. (Like 
I think of
> myself as a religious atheist).
> 
> OK point taken. Caring and freedom are two sides of the same coin. 
We are all
> wonderfully and painfully interdependent.
> 
> I am also picking up your post because I was struck by Marc's 
signature line
> "I wan't to be free". In fact I can think of very very few 
references to
> freedom in marxism. Perhaps your friends have a point. I am not 
sure marxism
> is about freedom.
> 
> In fact I can only think at the moment of Engels' remark that 
"Freedom is the
> recognition of necessity."  Yes, I think you have hit on an 
important point,
> because this too is an oxymoron.
> 
> Any further comments back to Frank, oxy or moronic?
> 
> Chris, London
> 
> [oxygen, people may remember, was so named because of its highly
> corrosive and acidic properties. Moron, the etymological part of my
> dictionary says, means "dull"]
> 
> 
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> From: dnedre <dnedre-AT-netshop.net>
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 23:00 PST
> Subject: Careing and lack of freedom are oximorons!
> 
>         I am finding in my quest to indocranate people, That most 
people
> belive at the root of Marxism is the lack of freedom. This makes no 
sence,
> even resonably intelligent people should be able to relise it is 
the other
> way. Since when did Capitalism have any links to freedom exept for 
freedom
> for the rich....?
> 
>         Frank
> 
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