Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:43:18 -0700 From: Lisa Rogers <eqwq.lrogers-AT-state.ut.us> Subject: the Christian Coalition and the NOI, again >>> Chris, London <100423.2040-AT-compuserve.com> 2/13/96, 01:57am >>> Yes I was aware that there is a great difference between the USA and England in church attendance. I can only assume that it is partly a dynamic in the superstructure of its own and partly linked to the extreme mobility in the USA - the average person moves every 7 years? - and hence the need for community. Lisa: I disagree. "Community" can be found/created in a lot of different ways. Why religion? CB: Christian oppenents of the Christian Coalition may be in the best position to explain what comes over as *positive* in the Coalition message. LR: I don't claim to be a Christian. I wonder what you think "christians" are likely to find "positive". Part of the "message" that is "appealing" to some "christians" is gay-bashing, male supremacist, blame the victim crap, plain and simple. In order to find something "positive" in the the "christian coalition" you have to find the separation of church and state to be bad, secular government and education is bad, any "assault" i.e. challenge to the "traditional" family, [daddy work, mommy stay home, mandatory heterosexuality for all] is bad, etc. On the news last night, some insane Republican wants to put the "fault" back in "no-fault" divorce. It's a contract, hse declared, for life. Right. It's the only contract where they don't tell you what the terms are right up front, and they can change the terms anytime without your permission. Contract indeed. CB: My guess is that it is a spiritual and social reaction to anomie, the atomised nature of bourgeois (buergerlich) civil society. Thank God Farrakhan is keeping the blacks away from them. Lisa: Chris, Chris, have all my posts been lost in the mail since October? Or do you just disagree? FARRAKHAN IS THE SAME THING. Christian white right is very much the same as Islamic black right. Patriarchy, capitalism, racism and religion, make a tetrapod God of our dominant ideology, all interwoven in mutual support of each other, forming an unholy alliance in the interest of greater, deeper, multi-faceted oppression of body, mind and labor power. I don't think anomie is enough. A turn to 'religion' per se does not necessarily need to take the oppressive and intolerant form of the christian/islamic rightwing in the US. Lisa --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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