Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:58:42 -0800
From: CEP  <iwp.ilo-AT-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Carlos' support for Algerian reaction.


>>To which Taylor Ian Christopher replied:
>
>>This is outrageous! You appear to be "justifying" a group of 
homicidal 
>>mediaevel (sp?) insurrectionists whose aim is to drag Algeria and the 

>>rest of the Islamic world back to the Dark Ages. I *seriously* doubt 
your 
>>credibility as a progressive if you are in any way defending them! I 
>>urgently suggest you ask *any* woman whether they would voluntarily 
>>submit to the type of society the FIS envisage. How can you take such 
a 
>>position? I am shocked.
>
>Taylor,
>
>Thanks for your very reasonable post.  If you are shocked by Carlos'
>position on Algeria, it is because you have perhaps not been following
>this thread from the beginning.  It has been an amazingly straight-
>forward example of the stereotypical degeneration of "Trotskyism" from
>a pseudo-revolutionary verbal exercise into more or less total support
>for reaction.
>
    Carlos:

    No matter how much amount of distortion you use, you cannot change  
    the fact.  Carlos not only *does not* support Islamic guerrillas
    in Algeria, he *opposses* them.  My post was clear, but if you      
    dind't understand it, here I go again:

    1. Islamic guerrillas in Algeria, as Shiny Shit in Peru, are
    acting *without* consulting the working class and the oppressed.
    They operate on the basis of the orders given to them by the
    fundamentalist clergy (Algeria) and the Shint Shit central
    committee )Peru) -- namely Guzman.

    2. Both the Algerian terrorists and Shiny Shit in Peru resort to
    the same undiscrminated terrorism against leftists, journalistas
    and others.  Both Shiny Shit and the Algerian fundamentalists
    kill anyone that opposses them on political grounds.

    4. The only differenmce between Shiny Shit and the Algerian
    fundamentalists is that the latter, at least, can claim certain
    legitimacy because they won an election and were denied power.
    Shiny shit has demonstrated no legitimacy at all since its mass
    support is only in the mind of Godenas, Quispe and a few other
    lunatics.

    Now, would you please *answer* the political questions raised by
    many in the list instead of trying to divert the discussion?

    C'mon you stalinists, didn't you learn that, by now, you either
    learn how to discuss politics or you have no chance of convincing
    anybody/  Please, do not distor other people's positions, do not
    try tricks ... like threatening me or others in the list.  Just
    discuss the political issues.  Life the rotten reformism of Maoism
    properly exposed by Louis Proyect (who,BTW, is not a Trotskyte nor
    a Trotskyist, but got you by the horns anyway)

    We are waiting ....





>Those of use who don't gasp in horror at the mention of Mao Zedong
>are constantly taken to task on this list.  Well, now the worm has 
turned.
>All Trotskyists on this list should be vigorously repudiating Carlos 
in his
>support for *real* terrorism -- the feudal enslavement of all Algerian
>women.
>
>My sectarian hackles are up, here folks.  This is not an attempt to 
engage
>the issue of whether Trotsky (or Mao, for that matter) were "good" or 
"bad"
>or right or wrong.  But really, Carlos is the incarnation of the "evil 
Trot"
>they used to scare us with around the RCYB campfire.
>
>-- Matt D.
>
>Self-criticism: An organization of which I was a member, the RCYB, had 
a
>line supporting the Iranian "revolution" of 1979.  The exact nature of 
this
>support was always hard to pin down -- no one defended the 
"legitimacy"
>of the ayatollahs (unlike Carlos), but they did try to present it as 
"a
>blow to imperialism".  Since, of course, imperialism and Khomenei 
turned
>out to actually get along pretty well, this line has become pretty 
muted.  I
>don't know if it's been repudiated.
>
>
>
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