From: glevy-AT-acnet.pratt.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:09:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The furure of socialism


[Before anyone accuses me of bringing up the topic of moderation again, 
note that it was Gary who has chosen to re-open this can of worms]:

Oh, it's so wonderful to see "moderators" at work:

Gary quoted me as follows:

> >> I think this l*st is very important for the future of socialism.
> >> Best, Jon Flanders
> >
> >... then the future of socialism is doomed! Get real, Jon. This is a Net 
> >mailing l*st. That's all -- period. 
> >
> >Best, Jerry 
 
> Once agains Jerry reveals the contradictory nature of his attitude twoards
> the list. Any hint of a hope for its potential greatness gets sneered at as
> in "get real". And the mantra is added "It is only a mailing list".  

To believe that *this* li*t is "very important for the future of 
socialism" is abject utopian romantacism. It is quite silly to boot. 
Gary, have you actually *read* the posts in the last couple of weeks?
 
> But Jerry is nothing if not inconsistent.  He patrols this list with the
> blow torch dispensing fuck yous to those he disagrees with.

As I recall, I only said "fuck you" once to someone on the l*st (many 
more deserved this, but I refrained).

But ... Gary *is* consistent. He consistently personalizes, he 
consistently avoids addressing the issues, he consistently makes things 
worse by his actions as "moderator" ....

>  Drowning the poor moderators in absolutley reams of posts.

"Poor moderators"?!!! One *might* have thought that if a member has 
complaints concerning the behavior of moderators, the moderators would 
prefer that the person take it up with them rather than bring it before 
the li*st. Not this group of co-mods. They consider objections to their 
conduct "harassment." They consider legitimate criticism of utopian 
notions (as I did above) an assault on them personally. 

> What, I wonder,  does the "real" in get real mean?

It means: face up to the issues. Such as:

-- Gary and Chris are jokes as co-mods. It's like naming Dana Thorpe, 
Elsequin, and Luis Q. as moderators (only a slight exaggeration).

Yes, of course, I know it is *only* me. That's why I'm going to forward a 
message I received recently concerning the formation of a new newsgroup 
on Marx*sm. Interesting comments are made there concerning this l*st.

Jerry


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