Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:31:22 -0700
From: Lisa Rogers <eqwq.lrogers-AT-state.ut.us>
Subject:  End all border controls !!  


Welcome, Jorn.  I say, your english seems easy to me, but that stuff
at the end of your post looks like neither english nor danish, more
like 'puter gibberish.  Any chance you can skip that part in future? 
Non-English-language contributions are fine, but....

You take my point about real conflicts of interest between workers
quite well.  It is too common, and something I struggle against, for
some to say that workers are just fooled, to the point that it seems
they must be fools.  To the contrary, they may be acutely aware of
their immediate economic interests, while also being well aware that
at the same time, competing for jobs serves the interests of the
owners.  See, I think that is a big part of what keeps the whole
thing working.

This is one of the reasons why revolution is difficult.  Long-term
collective interests are real, but they don't pay the rent today.  So
it just bugs me when it seems that the real short-term survival
interests of workers stuck for now in capitalism are ignored.

By the way, I am shocked and amazed that anyone could find the list
rather 'academic', but maybe I don't know in what way you mean
academic.  Didn't you get the info sheet when you subscribed?  What
did you expect?  

Some of us are really disgusted by the name-calling and accusations
going around lately.  I'm getting pretty burned out by all the time
it takes just to sort through the crap to find the good stuff.

Seeya,
Lisa

>Lisa Rogers[SMTP:eqwq.lrogers-AT-state.ut.us]
>Therefore, as long as capitalism is still dominating the economy,
>immigration does pose a direct threat to the income and job security
>of the already employed, doesn't it?  I mean, to argue for a
>longer-term and greater good is one thing, but some conflict of
>interest is real in the short-term status quo situation, isn't it?
>Are 'workers against immigration' just duped by capitalism?  Or is
>that attitude a logical, self-interested result of a capitalist
labor >market?

I like the way you pose the question - because the question is a real
= one.

I have just started to subsribe to this list, and my very fast (one
week = or so) impression is, that too many of the questions are ...
eeh "a = little academic" - although there is also some good debate.

[snip]
Conclusion: My full support to the contribution that triggered your question.

> End all border controls, let all workers move to wherever they
want.> End all discrimination against immigrant workers regardless of
their> "legal" status.  This is a very simple and just position.  ...
> Let me tell you though, this is not any easy sell among native born
> American workers.  I think the position is simple and clear and
> obviously just, but the bourgeoisie has planted a huge number of
> misconceptions in the minds of most ordinary people. 

PS: The last point is true also in Denmark and Europe - but the more
= concrete we confront these ideas, the easier it is to show that
only the = bosses benefit from them.

Bye for now. Sorry, the "introduction" became a little longer than I
had = intended...
Jorn Andersen

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