Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 1:33:27 EST From: boddhisatva <kbevans-AT-panix.com> Subject: Re: State Capitalism is a valid Marxist Category : was Cuba Mr. Jaszewski, To the contrary, it seems almost inarguably clear that the potential for violent, military revolution's installing socialism in the west is utterly out of the question. Certainly violence of the civil disobedience/strike hooliganism type is to be expected, and will be useful, but you are not going to "overthrow" any G7 government, it's a complete pipe dream. Demonstrations and the like are fine, the more massive, the better, but if you start killing people in any numbers, forget it. The governments and people of capitalist nations will tolerate minor sectarian terrorists like the IRA, but anything larger than that will be impossible. I believe it's a little silly not to have a plan for democratic transformation, as that is certainly going to be the framework on which the revolution will hang. Someone brought up whether modern capitalist workers have it too good to be incited to change the system. They don't but they do have and have had enough reasonable respect for rights and property (by which I mean that property that is inarguably personal) that they will not abandon that. The occasional riot, the odd bomb from a fringe group, these things get people's attention and are all in good fun. More violence than that and governments with extraordinarily dangerous militaries will become unstable. The White House and #10 are not the Bastille or the Winter palace. They are not guarded by guys with swords and bolt-action rifles. They are guarded by militaries trained and prepared to fight battles on the streets of Germany that would culminate in the end of the world. Fortunately the West has become soft and intolerant of war too close to home. These people can be cajoled and bullied, just not conquered. peace, boddhisatva --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- ------------------
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