From: Jorn Andersen <ccc6639-AT-vip.cybercity.dk> To: "'marxism-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU'" Subject: Castros Marxism (Re: Permanent Revolution and Nicaragua) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 06:41:22 +-100 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB13CC.FEB8CA40 Thanks, Louis, for your mail. I think it will start (or re-start) several debates, that go in different directions. So in order not to get these "multi-subject-mails", I will reply to some of the issues in different mails. OK? This one is on Castro and Marxism: You write: >Castro and Guevara believed that practice and theory are intimately >connected. One does not develop a theory first and then base a practice >on it. The established socialist movement, including Trotskyism, >dedicated itself to creating Marxists as a precondition for revolutionary >struggle. The Cubans reversed this by stating that making revolution >helps to create Marxists. Hmmm... I don't think Castro is or was a Marxist - but that's *my* problem. The more interesting thing is: How did Castro become a Marxist? *Before* the revolution he certainly did not consider himself a Marxist. He replied, when Batista made this accusation: "What right does Senor Batista have to speak of Communism? After all, in the elections of 1940 he was the candidate of the Communist Party ... his portrait hung next to Blas Roca's and Lazaro Pena's; and half a dozen ministers and confidants of his are leading members of the CP". (Quite interesting, isn't it? For Castro - and thousands of other young students like him - Communism was simply not a possible road to change, because the Cuban CP had discredited itself by entering the Batista government as a result of Comintern's Popular Front policy.) *During* the revolution he wasn't a communist either: "Our revolution is neither capitalist nor communist!", he said in May 1959. Castros aim was national liberation (from total US dominance). >From what I have read he did not want to nationalize or in other ways put restrictions on private enterprise (including US capital in Cuba). And also that he believed he could continue to do business-as-usual with the US. I would describe him as a liberal democrat. Castro only became a Marxist and communist, when he found out this was not an option. He saw Cuba isolated (by US embargo etc.) and he saw that Cuba could not develop on it's own. Where to go then? The only open door was Kremlin's. (Not out of any prin- cipled "internationalism" - Moscows interests were partly strategic, partly economic (sugar paid for in non-convertible currency - from being dependent on the US Cuba became dependent on the USSR)). Having found this new ally Castro suddenly found out (I think it was in 1961?) that the revolution *was* Communist after all. I think the process is instructive: Castro the Rebel could *not* become a Communist because the CP was so discredited. But Castro the Statesman *could* become a "Communist" because the small country he was now head of, *had* to align itself with one of the two super powers in this period - and the US was not available for him. Both of these things happened not only in Cuba but in number of countries where national liberation took place in the boom/Cold War period. Finally: In Cuba there *was* a genuine tradition of worker's struggles (peaking in 1933-34, but showing a muscle also after it was crushed in 1935 by the new Batista regime). I think Marxists should look to this tradition, and not Castro's, when we are searching for "agents for socialism". 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