Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:27:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Spoon Collective <spoons-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU>
To: marxism-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Marxist Views of the LAWV (fwd)



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Date: 29 Mar 96 01:06:28 EST
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Subject: Marxist Views of the LAWV

Dear joseph and mark,

  We have been so happy  to lay our communist cards on the the table and face
off against your bourgeois and refomist views supporting bourgeois nat-lib
movements in this modern imperialist epoch. 

  The debate and study and further debate has helped clarify revolutionary
politics and method. We are proud to say that we are moving forward rapidly to
understanding and deeper  adherence to Communist-left positions on 
1) exposing  nat-lib frauds 
2) fighting bourgeois unionism
3) opposing politically bourg. election circuses
4) construction of a  genuine Communist Party  of internationalism (not your
neo-maoite nationalism) build out of the mass struggles with the working class.
5) The goal of a classless -stateless society without money, wage labor or
commodity production and we oppose faker like CVO types who with their plans to
build more state caps. In the wake of their past support of these kinds of
regimes
 and failure to fess-up  on this history , the CVO/Joseph  shows it stands on
the reactionary side of history.

We think also comrades should be able to see thru your dishonest methods in the
recent debates on nat-libs your true political nature . Mark writes one article
against LAWV (CV 3/15/96) that is actually polemics against the trotskyist LRP,
some anarchists, and the ICC, etc.  and only very remotely takes LAWV on using
our  actual views.. Of course he is using this as a smokescreen to cover over
his own shameful (if he has any shame!) record where he has written apologetics
downplaying the #s murdered by his Pol Pot Regime as late as 1996 ( via The
Papargraphs he omits from his re-printed article form the 1985  WA article  )
and  as recently as Nov . 1994, he attacked the CPNZ (now-SWO-NZ)using  similar
methodology to play down the #s of Russians,  innocent civilians mainly, by the
Stalin regime in Russia.  We think all of this shows Mark and joseph of CVO are
pulling quite a fast one on those gullible enough to be taken in by their
"anti-revisionist"  fraud. They stand for their old stalinist rot but with a new
CVO custom paint job over it.

It is well  and good that debate in the trade union issue has  now commenced.
Over the next few days I will send articles LAWV has  written over the past few
months on this key question for the workers struggles against the capitalist
offensive. As per our method, it will deal with both the theory and the practice
aspects, and using the  applied scientific method of marxism. 

Mark and joseph of CVO  no doubt will find quoting the LRP, 5th estate, or the
ICC 
sufficient to show they have "nailed us" in the LAWV . Their "CVO stalin  school
of Falsification" methodology will also no doubt use the method of mis quotes
and tearing sentences out of context, etc. to suit their state capitalist
purpose which is par for the course for them (the spots on these leopards will
not change!). Yes, the Pol Potters of the CVO  are the champs in that field!

Let the next debate begin!

NC/LAWV


  





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