From: Marcus Strom <MSTROM-AT-nswtf.org.au>
To: marxism-AT-jefferson.village.virginia.edu
Date:          Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:46:00 GMT+10
Subject:       Bollocks


I think I know what the Maoists on this list are up to. They are such 
idealists that they are out to wrench any 'anti-Marxist' ideas from 
the name of Marxism. Any where in public that any liberalism and 
revisionism (which undoubtedly exist on this list) are associated 
with the Holy Tenets must be resoultely wiped out.

This is their profoundly idealist method (which is the basis of 
Maoism).

The insistence of Adolfo that some people who leave the list do just 
that and call the new list 'anti-Marxism', 'Proyectism', 
'revisionism' et cetera. This is their agenda - it is profoundly 
sectarian.

If they are correct in their world outlook, as they seem to think 
they are, then they should adopt a much more mature outlook to the 42 
varieties of revisionism and liberalism that inevitably appear on a 
list like this. Instead they see spies everywhere, agents of the FBI, 
'fascists' and other such nonsense.

I give unconditional support to the revolutionary war in Peru - this 
is my first post on this matter. In the same way, I give 
unconditional support to the armed struggle in Ireland of the IRA and 
INLA. Yet, I maintain the revolutionary perspective of criticising 
their program. I have not read the PCP program, so have been 
hesistant to make any public statements, but if it is based on 
Maoism, I am opposed to it. The Maoists will now accuse me of 
Trotskyism - anyone who knows my posts knows I am certainly no Trot. 

This takes me back to a theme I have written briefly in the past on 
the degeneration of genuine marxism that has developed the two 
bastard offspring of 'stalinism' (maoism is an idealist variety) and 
'trotskyism'. My thesis is that these two strands need each other to 
survive - although, trotskyism needs stalinism more and will create 
it wherever it doesn't exist. Yet stalinism in some of its forms, 
will create its own phantoms to survive. We are witnessing this at 
the moment.

HOW TO DEAL WITH SUCH DEGENERATION

I am sure that I am a now an enemy of the revolution. But what this 
list provides is a profoundly petit bourgeois environment. It can 
not, at the moment, be anything else. I hardly think that the 
Peruvian peasantry are pouring over our debates on their laptops in 
the Andes.

I have never approached this list as anything than an airing cupboard 
of left ideas influenced by marxism. It is nothing more than this - 
it is this that the Maoists do not realise. This list is irrelevant 
to the general outcome of world history. It cannot test anything in 
practice, it contains no discipline, it is less organised than the 
ISO/SWP - anarchist organisations manage better concrete 
organisation.

Yet the maoists will now say that in practice I have proven myself as 
against the revolution by this post.

OUR OPTIONS

1.  A NEW FANGLED MODERATED LIST

I am against this. I think that we just need to learn to deal with 
disruptive elements

2.   WE ALL JUST UNSUBSCRIBE FOR A WHILE

Well I am doing this anyway because I lose my e mail account in a 
couple of weeks and don't know when I will have a new one.

3.   JUST KEEP POSTING ON INTERESTING ISSUES AND IGNORE
      THE FAFF

This is the best option. Stop the liberal bollocks, stop worrying 
about the Maoists. It takes two to tango (or foxTROT).


Again. This is an interesting list. Any revolutionaries who see it as 
the be all and end all of communist polemic need to get out more. Any 
Maoists who see it as their HOLY MISSION to remove the profane from 
discussing the holy, you are not marxists, but the worst cultists and 
sectarians. Stick to blowing the fuck out of Fujimoro - I support 
your actions in this regard, but get a life when it comes to this 
list.

To be perfectly honest. A fully active revolutionary wouldn't have 
time to post on this list in the first place, let alone write all 
this bollocks...

Marcus


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