Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:07:11 GMT
To: marxism-AT-jefferson.village.virginia.edu
From: hariette spierings <hariette-AT-easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: A new list?


>On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, hariette spierings wrote:
>
>> 
>> In the Marxism list, also the ruling circles, the most reactionary and
>> sectarian section - whose objective is to turn this list into a fortress of
>> Proyectism is waving already the banner of Cyberfascism.
>> 
>
>Louis: You are a lying demagogue, Adolfo, and not a very good one, I 
>might add. Your charge of "fascism" against me preceded any question of 
>exclusion or inclusion. It was this charge that convinced me that this 
>list had a serious problem on its hands and suggested to me that it was 
>time for *me* to go, not you. I don't want to be around anybody who thinks I 
>am a fascist.

How pathetic can you get, Proyect?  You began the round of insults - anyone
can prove that by going back to the files, as we will. You characterised PCP
supporters as "pathological murderers".  What is that but another name for
Nazis?  You have brought all this upon your head, and now you are slowly
twisting in the wind.  

Moreover, your reaction alone to the well deserved label you have worked so
hard to pin on your chest, shows your lack of any Marxist mettle or sense of
self-critical appraisal.

You claim to have read my work on New Fascism.  Well that speech denounced
modern revisionism as social-fascism.  It was given in front of a packed
hall where present were also many middle and lower ranking leaders and
representatives of many currents who formerly had taken revisionist stands
and supported social-fascism.  

However,  they all listened to my indictment with respect, and applauded it
and recognised its importance and value, rising to the occassion as people
with a basic understanding of the spirit of Marxism.  No moanies there.
People from the Civil War in Spain, working class union leaders, etc.,
obviously, it must be harder for professors!   

It is no crime to have fallen into fascists positions if one realises it
eventually and has a sincere change of heart.  Only ridiculous braggarts can
ignore the fact that millions of good people have followed fascist
orientations at one time or another in their lives.  We are never against
the followers as such, we only fight them until they give up their fascism
and cease to oppose the proletariat.  The real ring leaders, can run, but
they will not escape!

Those people in London were capable of seing what a degree of depravity a
few head honchos and mascarading agents of reactionary imperialism had led
them into.  You, on the other hand treat the charge of fascism like a
metaphysical and religious indictment, and not as political one that has to
do WITH YOUR BEHAVIOUR, ideology and policies, as should be now evident to
most fair minded people in this list. 



>You evade the truth around this question the way you evade many other 
>things. Your evasions stem from the fact that you are an ignoramous and a 
>coward. If I wasn't under such pressure from people on this list to ignore 
>you, I would dismantle you politically in less than a week.

I could very well just ask you to read carefully the above and think who,
apart of yourself, can believe your bragaddoccio.  On the contrary, that is
a fair and complete description of your circunstance. Proyect, look in the
mirror and try not to laugh, and you won't miss the awful truth about yourself.


>This post is addressed to you, but it is really intended to the folks who 
>might be confused over Adolfo's lies.

What are you hoping to achieve with such absurd claims turning black into
white and viceversa?.  Be a man. You want to debate, but "they" don't let
you!!!!!  Come on! Can you take your own decisions or are you bound by a
cowards and braggarts discipline who no one would believe is anything else
but panic in the nth degree?.  If you so wish go ahead and "destroy me
politically".  I am truly impressed!  The questions of Leninism and the
Imperialist era if you so wish, we could debate?.  It would only help us to
further develop Marxist understanding by debunking all your absurdities.  So
the folks that "may be confused" can make their own minds on your claims to
such brilliant debating skills! Do you dare?


Adolfo Olaechea



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