From: ROSSERJB-AT-jmu.edu Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Murders? To: marxism-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU To Joe Koenigsman, the jokoe from minot.com: Apologies for having forgotten your name before. I had not saved the message and had done a slowburn reaction, responding several days later without it in front of me. Of course it is appalling that I misspelled "appalling," and I am sure that you will duly apologize for "Trotskey" and "tzarist" as well, :-). Your latest message is full of non-facts, but I shall keep my response to a minimum to deal with some of the more egregious. 1) Trotsky was killed with an ice pick, not an axe. Read Sudoplatov's book for the latest confirmation of Stalin's orders to kill Trotsky. The safe house in New Mexico used to meet with Soviet agents at Los Alamos had originally been rented by the NKVD at the end of th 1930s in order to establish the network to get at Trotsky in Mexico. For a war veteran you are awfully naive. 2) Bukharin and Trotsky were on opposite sides during the power struggles in Moscow in the 1920s. It was Stalin who opportunistically kept switching sides. You seem to have collapsed everything together in your mind. Of course Stalin accused his enemies of Trotskyism in the 1930s, no matter how ridiculous this was, and in Bukharin's case the charge was ridiculous, although not as ridiculous as all that nonsense about plotting to build tunnels to India. 3) I do not know how many people we should "assign" to Stalin as having been killed "by" him. Quite some time ago, Robert Conquest came up with the number of 80 million, a bit more than the 30 million that has you frothing at the mouth. Of course Conquest's numbers absurdly included the 25 million (he may have had them at 35 million, but I appallingly do not remember precisely, too old, I'm afraid) Soviet citizens who were killed in WW II. Now I have sharply criticized Stalin's dealings with Hitler in 1939 and thereafter and have further argued that his much-vaunted wartime leadership was wildly overrated by his propagandists. But those 25 to however many million are certainly on Hitler's "moral responsibility card," not Stalin's, if we dare to allow ourselves to be so "morally" petit bourgeois. More recently Chris Burford has been citing this study by Getty and Manning (?) which I have not read which says that Stalin only personally signed off on the death warrants of thousands (how many, Chris?). I have not read this study and I do not know what the number is, but I think that if he initiated the campaign, which he certainly did, then he is responsible for a lot more than just those he personally signed the death warrants of. I never claimed that Stalin was worse than Hitler. 4) You're another johnny-come-lately to this list, so you may not have been around when I poked at Shawgi Tell's Stalinist encomia. So, I shall repeat something: I personally know people who were avid Stalinists who were arrested on trumped-up charges and tortured at length. Your knowledge may come from books, mine is more personal. My links to Bukharin's widow are personal as well. I did not bring up her testimony or suffering by accident. If you wish to slander Bukharin with your dimwitted and ignorant remarks, go right ahead. But you do not know what you are talking about. That the US military and propaganda machines have lied for years does not therefore make Stalin's propagandists truth tellers! Barkley Rosser --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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