Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:06:42 +0200 (MET DST)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: China + maoism & state caps


Neil writes,
>
>Gina sees the growth of state capitalism --western style andcollapsed Russian
>bloc style somewhat. Bob Malecki needs to see that statification of industry in
>not 
>necesarily 'progressive' and working class. If it was , Then Peronist ,
>mussolini
>and Francoist regimes would also be on his 'defense list' of his " degenerate
>workers states".I am not trying to slander Malecki because he does not support
>these outfits of  course. Just point out his contradiction on this. workers
>movements , class battles need to  eventually make  mass assuaults on the 
bourg.

Actually Neil I really don,t need too see anything on this point. The 
decisive thing in the Soviet Union and in the deformed workers states was in 
fact the expropriation of the ruling class and its interests. The first in a 
workers revolution,the latter by peasant armies and the conquest of East 
Europe by the Red Army setting up Stalinist regimes.

In Italy and Argentina that was not the case.

>systems and SOCIALIZE the means of productions under revolutionary workers
>control,

The above about socialising the means of production under workers control 
demands a social revolution in capitalist countries and a political 
revolution in the deformed workers states to oust the Stalinist 
bureaucracies. What is interesting is even the bougeoisie know more then 
Neil on this point. They understand the difference between capitalist 
economics and Stalinists regimes in these countries. All events in the 
Soviet Union prove this. In fact the state capitalists not even seeing the 
difference that the capitalists quite clearly see puts them in a class all 
by themselves..

>Rev. councils, militias etc. Robert M. needs to see it is many times the
>capitalist   CRISIS cycle  of the BOURGEOIS system itself (as wel l as growing
>class antagonisms) ,the
>increase before big wars, of growing  organic composition of capital and the
>falling
>rate of profit which pushes the rulers in this direction-- and in using their
>STATE 
>to support these enterprises with another  share of overall surplus value-
>to strenghten capitals grip..

This is certainly the case in capitalist countries. But you should read the 
Stalinist history of the second world war. I think they call the series "The 
great Patriotic War" and one can quite clearly see how the Stalinist version 
of the planned economy worked in this period..

malecki




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