Date: 17 Jul 96 18:57:35 EDT
From: "Chris, London" <100423.2040-AT-compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Show trials and mock executions


Rolf's post (attached below).
illustrates my point about the fundamentally
anti-democratic nature of the methods of himself and Adolfo.


Apart from his generosity in saying that my family should be 
exempt from harrassment, all else applies. [And it should be noted
that the extension of political harrassment to families was 
a feature of the purges of the 30's and was far from unknown 
during the Cultural Revolution.]

Rolf specifically endorsed Adolfo's post calling for harrassment
of New Flag over photographs or anything else, because they 
were in his mind enemy agents. Rolf requires no democratic 
agreement to start this process of treating them as a political 
outlaws. It is sufficient that the 
political line in his humble opinion is "objectively" 
reactionary, therefore the person promoting it is *actually*
a police agent such as yours truly. 

I am in Rolf's eyes so 
thoroughly nasty in arguing consistently against his position 
that I must be a police agent. Therefore he will treat me
as a police agent. He will stick a label on me. That is his
purpose in addressing me as "Police Officer Chris Burford".

I can have no other motivation for arguing against him than 
that I am a police agent. This suggest a rather high degree 
of solipsism. (Do you have a job, Rolf?(

As for the suggestion that I had made silly lies against
the Cultural Revolution, I thought as a loyal follower of 
Mao, Rolf would think that it was "30% wrong". If treating
contradictions among the people as contradictions among
the enemy and violating principles of socialist law, were not
among the negative phenomena, what does Rolf imagine Mao meant
when he said it was 30% wrong?

Rolf may like to claim he is  a consistent opponent of the Gang of 
Four, but his arbitrary and splittist ultra-leftism IMO
illustrates their approach rather vividly.

It is absolutely clear that Rolf triggered the outbreak of 
hostilities between New Flag and Adolfo in the name of being
more loyal to the PCP than Avakian. Later it turns out that
he actually thinks the PCP is full of petty bourgeois deviations. 

He is indeed as Adolfo implied, a friend of the more "troublesome"
kind.

I would be surprised if he has yet received an invitation 
to the inaugural meeting of the steering committee for the 
World Mobilisation Commission.


CB
London.

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From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:12:59 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Show trials and mock executions

Police officer Chris Burford,

You wrote on 17.07 i.a.:

>However, I am still waiting for them however to respond to my
>challenge to substantiate or withdraw their accusation that New Flag
>are in the pay of the intelligence services. Sorry not to treat this
>exclusively as a joke.

You here were referring to my comrades Adolfo and Jay.

As evidence for this correct accusation, readers may be
referred to a discussion which took place on this list
between 15.04 and, say, 09.06 of this year. (And, as
a complement, to those parts of my posting "UNITE! Info #8en",
of 25.04, which were not sent to this list, i.e. parts 1-2.)

And for substantiation of my opinion that you yourself
are also in the pay of imperialist such services, see,
firstly, my posting on 30.6 in 5 parts "Why do I think
Chris is a cop?" and secondly, not least, your own postings
since then.

I mean, if the comrades don't gravely suspect a person
who writes such things as you've written in the last two
weeks or so of being an intelligence agent, then when would
they ever do so?

Another matter is the principle always advocated by
Mao Zedong and his adherents in China: "Don't treat
prisoners badly". They always were against meting out
excessive punishment too, and so am I. Furthermore, I'm
dead against taking out vengance for your activities,
for instance, on your family etc, which it's likewise
a Marxist principle *not* to do.

Your silly lies about the Cultural Revolution and your
croco tears about recent events - well, Officer, I
don't think there's a great need to comment on those.

Rolf M.





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