Date: 	Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:22:05 -1000
From: Stephen E Philion <philion-AT-hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: Show trials and mock executions


and then mary turned to jim and exclaimed, "Oh can it be?"  Stayed tuned
for the next edition of Days of Our Lives, when mary turns to jim and
exclaims, "Oh can it be?"...

steve

On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Chris, London wrote:

> Rolf's post (attached below).
> illustrates my point about the fundamentally
> anti-democratic nature of the methods of himself and Adolfo.
> 
> 
> Apart from his generosity in saying that my family should be 
> exempt from harrassment, all else applies. [And it should be noted
> that the extension of political harrassment to families was 
> a feature of the purges of the 30's and was far from unknown 
> during the Cultural Revolution.]
> 
> Rolf specifically endorsed Adolfo's post calling for harrassment
> of New Flag over photographs or anything else, because they 
> were in his mind enemy agents. Rolf requires no democratic 
> agreement to start this process of treating them as a political 
> outlaws. It is sufficient that the 
> political line in his humble opinion is "objectively" 
> reactionary, therefore the person promoting it is *actually*
> a police agent such as yours truly. 
> 
> I am in Rolf's eyes so 
> thoroughly nasty in arguing consistently against his position 
> that I must be a police agent. Therefore he will treat me
> as a police agent. He will stick a label on me. That is his
> purpose in addressing me as "Police Officer Chris Burford".
> 
> I can have no other motivation for arguing against him than 
> that I am a police agent. This suggest a rather high degree 
> of solipsism. (Do you have a job, Rolf?(
> 
> As for the suggestion that I had made silly lies against
> the Cultural Revolution, I thought as a loyal follower of 
> Mao, Rolf would think that it was "30% wrong". If treating
> contradictions among the people as contradictions among
> the enemy and violating principles of socialist law, were not
> among the negative phenomena, what does Rolf imagine Mao meant
> when he said it was 30% wrong?
> 
> Rolf may like to claim he is  a consistent opponent of the Gang of 
> Four, but his arbitrary and splittist ultra-leftism IMO
> illustrates their approach rather vividly.
> 
> It is absolutely clear that Rolf triggered the outbreak of 
> hostilities between New Flag and Adolfo in the name of being
> more loyal to the PCP than Avakian. Later it turns out that
> he actually thinks the PCP is full of petty bourgeois deviations. 
> 
> He is indeed as Adolfo implied, a friend of the more "troublesome"
> kind.
> 
> I would be surprised if he has yet received an invitation 
> to the inaugural meeting of the steering committee for the 
> World Mobilisation Commission.
> 
> 
> CB
> London.
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:12:59 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: Re: Show trials and mock executions
> 
> Police officer Chris Burford,
> 
> You wrote on 17.07 i.a.:
> 
> >However, I am still waiting for them however to respond to my
> >challenge to substantiate or withdraw their accusation that New Flag
> >are in the pay of the intelligence services. Sorry not to treat this
> >exclusively as a joke.
> 
> You here were referring to my comrades Adolfo and Jay.
> 
> As evidence for this correct accusation, readers may be
> referred to a discussion which took place on this list
> between 15.04 and, say, 09.06 of this year. (And, as
> a complement, to those parts of my posting "UNITE! Info #8en",
> of 25.04, which were not sent to this list, i.e. parts 1-2.)
> 
> And for substantiation of my opinion that you yourself
> are also in the pay of imperialist such services, see,
> firstly, my posting on 30.6 in 5 parts "Why do I think
> Chris is a cop?" and secondly, not least, your own postings
> since then.
> 
> I mean, if the comrades don't gravely suspect a person
> who writes such things as you've written in the last two
> weeks or so of being an intelligence agent, then when would
> they ever do so?
> 
> Another matter is the principle always advocated by
> Mao Zedong and his adherents in China: "Don't treat
> prisoners badly". They always were against meting out
> excessive punishment too, and so am I. Furthermore, I'm
> dead against taking out vengance for your activities,
> for instance, on your family etc, which it's likewise
> a Marxist principle *not* to do.
> 
> Your silly lies about the Cultural Revolution and your
> croco tears about recent events - well, Officer, I
> don't think there's a great need to comment on those.
> 
> Rolf M.
> 
> 
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