Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:20:15 +0200 (MET DST)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: Against Opportunism


Louis writes;
>
>The serious Marxist thinkers on this list have gotten to know each other
>fairly well. We should stick it out until further notice. Change is
>coming.

What is interesting about Louis is in fact his ability to see who are the 
"serious" marxists on the list. Naturally this is always connected to 
certain personal byist by those who judge. But leaving all the bullshit 
aside Louis appears to be taking the road of the former ivory tower!

Thus through slick moves creating "change" which normally means in terms of 
his political opponents of creating a forum where his critics can not voice 
themselves.

Naturally he is doing this by throwing some names around of people who are 
in his eyes big marxist thinkers who could not take the ulgy in fighting of 
the maoists and not in the least  the arsenal of mud slinging that goes on 
here when fighting gets hot.

Obviously the university emvionment where Louis gets his motivation in 
peaceful classes where someone presents his writtings and thinkings to the 
waiting public is;

Not of that horrible bar room brawling, trade union meeting atmosphere, nor 
any room for working class people or urban poor who do not have the polished 
rhetoric of our list menshevik. No that kind of stuff disturbs Louis, but 
also when class struggle comes into the list Louis is seeking ways to 
eliminate this struggle and exchange with his bureaucratic changes for the 
*real* marxists like himself.

Perhaps a sign over the door of "important writers", and serious marxists 
only welcome. Poor and working class people don,t bother. This stuff is far 
to deep for ordinary people. Something along those lines that will make 
Louis happy. I doubt it, because his style is the style of the petty 
bougeoisie and drawing room crowd, will sooner or later be invaded by the 
bar room brawlers and urban poor who will along with the workers replace 
these people with a real vanguard that mean business and not a workshop for 
university lectors who think they own marx.

I guess this means that M1 once again is under attack by the petty bougeois 
intellectual envionment that just can,t stand to deal with people as they 
appear here and ingage in battle.

I think that Louis and others want a certain set of rules like in crickett 
or something where everyone one puts on a tie and presents himself with 
bougeois respectability!

Well, those forums Louis and his friends are welcome to. Sooner or later 
they will have to come out of those dusty closets and deal with real and 
angry workers and urban poor. I doubt that these will pass the standards 
being put up by Louis. Perhaps he spent to much time licking the boots of 
Sandinist ministers for his own good.

Well, hopefully the list will thrive and as more people come on line the 
battles will be fought up front and out in the open for all to see. Then our 
friends who would bureaucratically try to stop the debate with manervers and 
gags and special rules will have to come out of the closet and deal with it.

Louis is right about one thing. Change is coming. But its not the change he 
is smiling and begging his co-thinkers to have patience with that is the 
real change. It is something entirely different. And it is taking place very 
far from the dusty closet that Louis and his friends are trying to find to 
hide in.

Finally Louis, if your threats become a fact we shall meet again. Most 
likely on opposing sides of the barricades. Because ultimately your line is 
against the poor and working class and means defeat just as in Nicaragua..

malecki

PS: Hans is absolutely right about the fact that you Louis with your baiting 
and slanders of political opponents which appears to be heading for special 
lists and rules have been psyching the list far more then anyone else on 
this list including Aldolfo. The only difference is i take Aldolfo far more 
seriously as a political opponent. He is a die hard Stalinist and centrist. 
You are and SWP has been heading towards Menshevism and reformism. 

Let the winds of change blow and we shall see where they lead!




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