Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:28:43 -0400 From: Vladimir Bilenkin <"achekhov-AT-unity.ncsu.edu"-AT-ncsu.edu> Subject: RE: Is Spoons an area of serious struggle? If so... > From owner-marxism Sat Aug 31 13:48:39 1996 > Return-Path: owner-marxism > Received: (from daemon-AT-localhost) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id NAA24049 for marxism-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:48:36 -0400 > Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (cbcox-AT-rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.2]) by jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA27372 for <marxis > Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) > Comrades, > It seems to me that many of the howls and shrieks about Spoon are > close to being a trivialization of the entire history of proletarian > struggle, as if the loss of a certain kind of maillist were the > equivalent of the slaughter of the Communards. The bourgeois cliche > about "radical chic" comes to mind. Please, substantiate this charge by quotes from Ang's and my messages. > In a posting yesterday on communism and religion, I alluded to > an exchange between Lenin and Trotsky on the importance of Father > Gapon(s) to the revolution. I think Lenin was correct and Trotsky > almost tragically wrong on that point. So if we are going to > treat a few maillists as the equivalent of the entire fucking > capitalist world, and our activities here as having the dramatic > importance of the Battle for Algiers, let's bring some major principles > to bear on this bush league squabble. > > The communist revolution is not going to be won by forces most > of whom are communists. The revolutionary forces include many many > quite different elements. (Carl Davidson's remarks in a posting today > on the Black Church emphasize just one of such forces.) Among those > elements, crucially* among those elements are a miscellany of > non-communist progressives, allies, sympathizers, etc. etc. Is this a wishful thinking or a conclusion drawn from the historical experience of proletarian struggle and a marxist analysis of the present configuration of class forces in its dynamics? I am afraid that "revolutionary" forces in this country include precious few "elements," in dangerous contrast to the forces of American fascism. And let me also remind you that this is an international list. Before making your bold projections about the revolutionary role of the Black Church and a miscellany of other US communist sympathizers, you'd be well advised to look at the experience of revolutionary nations. > Just as Lenin regarded it as so much hot air to deny the > importance of future Father Gapons, it is so much hot air on > the part of Ang and Vladimir to believe that it is even remotely > possible to carry on communist work without the cooperation of > thousands (hundreds of thousands) of people like those in > Spoons. This is, obviously, a misrepresentation of my position, and as any other form of intellectual sloppiness does disservice to communist discussion. > > So, either this list or any other lists Spoons might or might > not sponsor is not so all fired a big deal as Ang and Vladimir > are claiming, OR--it is a big deal, a field of battle, and > serious as opposed to chic revolutionaries take seriously the > acquisition of such allies as the Spoon collective. > Comraely, > Carrol I am not sure I understand the exact meaning of this passage. I can only say that it would be DISASTROUS for communists not to work toward the most close cooperation with people like the Spoon collective, as it would be, no doubt, SUICIDAL to comromise our principles and goals for the sake of such cooperation. Comradely, Vladimir --- from list marxism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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