File spoon-archives/marxism.archive/marxism_1996/96-09-marxism/96-09-05.234, message 105


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:28:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Aparthied and Inquisition on "Unity" list!


Shipping copies of two letters i recieved this morning and my reply to M1, 
friends,and Usenet. I have removed the names because this issue is purely 
political and not personal! Hopefully a communist will see that these 
letters are sent to the "unity" list.

bob Malecki

Someone wrote;

>Comrade,
>
>I totally agree that Proyjects behavior towards you was unacceptable.  He
>has certainly turned a number of us off.  The important issue, though, is
>whether you wish to be a constructive part of the unity list, or whether
>you want to come in and tell us all off.  Let me ask, then:

Let me first say this. Since the list came to my knowledge i have stated 
that I would naturally follow all rules that the list made in relation to 
table manners. However that i would oppose any exclusion of any political 
trend in the workers movement. This goes for all the lists at Jefferson Village.

The other point is that this is the second letter today that i recieved 
which places certain conditions on my perticipation on the Unity list. The 
other is from the moderater Per which i am going to reply too also. I will 
send you a copy of his letter and my reply. Naturallly my question is why is 
it that i am being grilled about my approach to the list and only me!? Where 
as others can say things like the following

> >Louis: You fucking piece of shit lying bastard. I just got off the
> >unity list because I didn't want to be around morons like you. By the way,
> >did those "blacks" who talked to you about Cuba also profess a preference
> >for watermelon and fried chicken, you racist dog.

and be allowed to not only join the list, but write such filth while i am 
banned from taking part and can not defend myself. I think this behavior 
shows that the list has one set of demands for Malecki including what i 
think about this or that or putting my participation on the list to the vote 
and another democracy for all others who join the list! Including people 
that have attacked with viscious personal slanders or more subtle methods 
like Doug from the new left economic rag.. Is this correct? I think it is a 
correct evaluation of the present situation. I think it is both wrong and 
clearly stinks of class byist and racist incinuations directed at poor and 
working class people. A sort of "unity" list at Jefferson Village aparthied. 
I am getting extremely angry about this obvious disgusting behavior by those 
responsible for the list!
>
>-- do you see any value in conversation with non-Trotskyist Leninists,
>state capitalists, Mandelists, members of Solidarity, left members of the
>Socialist Party USA, and independent revolutionary socialists of various
>sorts?

Firstly I think you posing these questions should be seen in the light of 
the above apartheid system that seems to being formed in regards to certain 
poor and working class people. Do you have a list of questions for blacks 
also? Has anyone else on the list be forced to fill in these questions. When 
i recieve and answer from you to the affirmative then naturally i also will 
answer these questions. Until then i take it has and insult and system of 
apathied directed at me personally and perhaps blacks ..

>-- do you forsee the possibility of  a  revolutionary workers party being
>anything other than a Trotskyists party following the Transitional Program
>and the founding documents of the Fourth International?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional type of question!
>
>-- why would you see any value in debates with people whom you consider
>traitors to the revolutionary cause?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional question.

>-- would your time not be better spent agitating amongst real workers than
>engaging in cyber-debates with the same crowd of the usual suspects?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional question.

Finally because of the unbelieveable charcter of the present trend of 
apathied and inquistional questions directed at poor and working class 
people in order to even get on the "unity" mailing list at Jefferson 
Village. I am posting this and my reply to the "unity list moderater to M1, 
numerous orgainisations and friends and to Usenet.
Please do not take this as a personal attack and i intend to delete any 
names in order that this does not involve into a personal feud. The issue of 
Apathied and atomsphere of the Spanish inquisition developing on the "unity" 
list at Jefferson Village is a very dangerous turn. It is and insult to poor 
and working class people and if continued will be fought and defeated by 
communists in the future I hope. I will do my best to be ion the lead of the 
struggle against this trend in defeating it and sweeping it onto the trash 
pile of history!

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki

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Banned from the "Unity" list at Jefferson Village For being
 a "Trotskyist" and a "philthy lumpen" background, who today 
lives with his "pigs and donkeys" in exile-where he ran away 
during the Vietnam War.

According to the ex-vice viseur of the "Unity" list at
 Jefferson village!
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