Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:12:08 +0200 (MET DST)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)


COCKROACH! #6

A EZINE FOR POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS.

It is time that the poor and working class people
have a voice on the Internet.

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How often this zine will appear depends on you!

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Banned from the "Unity" list at Jefferson Village For 
being a "Trotskyist" and a "philthy lumpen" background, 
who today lives with his "pigs and donkeys" in exile-where he ran away 
during the Vietnam War. Obs I forgot a "racist" also!

According to  the ex-vice viseur of the "Unity" list at
Jefferson village!
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1. USA,HANDS OFF IRAK!

2. Aparthied and Inquisition on "Unity" list!

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USA,HANDS OFF IRAK!

NO SUPPORT TO PRO-IRAK OR PRO-IRAN KURDISH NATIONALISTS!

In the final days of the election campaign Bill 
Clinton, being cheered on by the jealous war-drum 
beating Republicans from the wings, has used the 
present round of jockeying of pro-Iran and pro-Irak 
Kurdish Nationalists, in order to collect the 
anti-Saddam votes of the previous Bush 
administration. This synical attack against 
Irak is taking place in the face of growing 
misery, starvation and health deterioration of 
millions of Irakian poor and working class 
people. But also in the light of the lifting 
of the ban on Irakian oil which would have 
lowered the price of oil on the world market,
cutting into the profits of the mega corporations, 
if Irakian oil for food and medicine for the 
starving and sick masses were to be dumped out 
on the market.

Naturally all communists must condemn this synical 
and brutal "clean" attack with the "smart" bombs 
of Imperialist America.

In back of this brutal attack we have two big 
factions of Kurdish Nationalists. The one who 
is getting it support from the Mullahs of Iran 
and the other who is being backed by Saddam 
who,s main contribution to the Kurds was to 
carry out a brutal and genocidal war with 
chemical weapons a few years back. It is also 
said the saddam has even been responsible for 
killing numerous members of the same family 
who the present leader of the one Kurdish 
faction seen on CNN as one of Sadam's new 
Kurdish generals. And its no better with the 
faction that is getting its support from the 
Mullahs in Iran. The blood of many Kurd and 
Iranian workers is on the hands of these 
muslim fundementalists. Not to mention the 
Turkish regime who for years has done 
everything in its power to surpress the 
rightful national demands of the Kurdish 
people.

In this mini "exile" statelett created by the 
allied coalition during the American Imperialist 
led UN war on Irak after their occupation of 
Kwait and directly a product of the hate of 
the Kurds and their right to self-determination 
and land to build a state on by all of the 
countries which border this area Iran,Irak 
and Turkey. All three of these countries are 
using the Kurdish Question in their own 
little expanionist goals, especially the 
Mullahs and Sadam. None of these bordering 
countries have and interest in seeing the 
creation of a Kurdish State! In fact all 
of them through there past actions against 
the Kurdish minorities have proven that. But 
the Kurdish political scene is dominated by 
groups that are cowtowing and being armed by  
these states! None of these Kurdish groups 
have the interests of the Kurdish people 
at heart nor their right to a country and 
self-determination. All of these groups 
appear to be playing into one military 
click, mullah led hands of one of the 
bordering countries who are using this 
question to whip up nationalism and preparation 
for war against each other in a historical dead 
end cycle..

What is needed in these countries and 
amongst the Kurdish people who have no 
country is Communist parties of a Bolshevik 
Leninist model. A party who fights 
independently for poor and working class 
people against the tin pot dictators and 
mullah fundementalists and out side intervention. 
Who puts the slogan of the United Socialist 
states in the region, including a state 
where the Kurds can live and thrive, against 
all of the present regimes in the area. This 
is why communists can give no political support 
what so ever to the present warring Kurdish 
factions being backed by their respective 
clients!

The complete bankruptcy of the present 
leadership of Kurds who capitulate time and 
again to the regimes of the bordering 
countries and some of the fractions who 
call on American imperialism to help them 
deserve no support!

USA,HANDS OFF IRAK!

NO SUPPORT TO PRO-IRAK OR PRO-IRAN KURDISH NATIONALISTS!

LIFT THE BAN ON IRAKIAN OIL!

Only parties in a reforged communist International 
can show the way forward.

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki
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<http://www.ios.com/~dizzyman/haha/>
Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara,Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my
Cristalball. 
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Banned from the "Unity" list at Jefferson Village 
For being a "Trotskyist" and a "philthy lumpen" 
background, who today lives with his "pigs and 
donkeys" in exile-where he ran away 
during the Vietnam War.

According to the moderater of the "Unity" List at
Jefferson Village!
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Aparthied and Inquisition on "Unity" list!

Shipping copies of two letters i recieved this morning and my reply to M1, 
friends,and Usenet. I have removed the names because this issue is purely 
political and not personal! Hopefully a communist will see that these 
letters are sent to the "unity" list.

bob Malecki

Someone wrote;

>Comrade,
>
>I totally agree that Proyjects behavior towards you was unacceptable.  He
>has certainly turned a number of us off.  The important issue, though, is
>whether you wish to be a constructive part of the unity list, or whether
>you want to come in and tell us all off.  Let me ask, then:

Let me first say this. Since the list came to my knowledge i have stated 
that I would naturally follow all rules that the list made in relation to 
table manners. However that i would oppose any exclusion of any political 
trend in the workers movement. This goes for all the lists at Jefferson Village.

The other point is that this is the second letter today that i recieved 
which places certain conditions on my perticipation on the Unity list. The 
other is from the moderater Per which i am going to reply too also. I will 
send you a copy of his letter and my reply. Naturallly my question is why is 
it that i am being grilled about my approach to the list and only me!? Where 
as others can say things like the following

> >Louis: You fucking piece of shit lying bastard. I just got off the
> >unity list because I didn't want to be around morons like you. By the way,
> >did those "blacks" who talked to you about Cuba also profess a preference
> >for watermelon and fried chicken, you racist dog.

and be allowed to not only join the list, but write such filth while i am 
banned from taking part and can not defend myself. I think this behavior 
shows that the list has one set of demands for Malecki including what i 
think about this or that or putting my participation on the list to the vote 
and another democracy for all others who join the list! Including people 
that have attacked with viscious personal slanders or more subtle methods 
like Doug from the new left economic rag.. Is this correct? I think it is a 
correct evaluation of the present situation. I think it is both wrong and 
clearly stinks of class byist and racist incinuations directed at poor and 
working class people. A sort of "unity" list at Jefferson Village aparthied. 
I am getting extremely angry about this obvious disgusting behavior by those 
responsible for the list!
>
>-- do you see any value in conversation with non-Trotskyist Leninists,
>state capitalists, Mandelists, members of Solidarity, left members of the
>Socialist Party USA, and independent revolutionary socialists of various
>sorts?

Firstly I think you posing these questions should be seen in the light of 
the above apartheid system that seems to being formed in regards to certain 
poor and working class people. Do you have a list of questions for blacks 
also? Has anyone else on the list be forced to fill in these questions. When 
i recieve and answer from you to the affirmative then naturally i also will 
answer these questions. Until then i take it has and insult and system of 
apathied directed at me personally and perhaps blacks ..

>-- do you forsee the possibility of  a  revolutionary workers party being
>anything other than a Trotskyists party following the Transitional Program
>and the founding documents of the Fourth International?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional type of question!
>
>-- why would you see any value in debates with people whom you consider
>traitors to the revolutionary cause?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional question.

>-- would your time not be better spent agitating amongst real workers than
>engaging in cyber-debates with the same crowd of the usual suspects?

The same reply to the above for this inquisitional question.

Finally because of the unbelieveable charcter of the present trend of 
apathied and inquistional questions directed at poor and working class 
people in order to even get on the "unity" mailing list at Jefferson 
Village. I am posting this and my reply to the "unity list moderater to M1, 
numerous orgainisations and friends and to Usenet.
Please do not take this as a personal attack and i intend to delete any 
names in order that this does not involve into a personal feud. The issue of 
Apathied and atomsphere of the Spanish inquisition developing on the "unity" 
list at Jefferson Village is a very dangerous turn. It is and insult to poor 
and working class people and if continued will be fought and defeated by 
communists in the future I hope. I will do my best to be ion the lead of the 
struggle against this trend in defeating it and sweeping it onto the trash 
pile of history!

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki

Someone  wrote;
>
>I don't think we need any more trouble on the list before
>we have sorted some things out there among the people who
>started it. Currently there is a hell of a discussion 
>raging threatening to pull the list apart. (People are so 
>impatient.)

Let me first say this. Since the list came to my knowledge i have stated 
that I would naturally follow all rules that the list made in relation to 
table manners. However that i i would oppose any exclusion of any political 
trend in the workers movement. This goes for all the lists at Jefferson Village.

The other point is that this is the second letter today that i recieved 
which places certain conditions on my perticipation on the Unity list. The 
other is from the moderater Bill which i am going to reply too also. I will 
send you a copy of his letter and my reply. Naturallly my question is why is 
it that i am being grilled about my approach to the list and only me!? Where 
as others can say things like the following

> >Louis: You fucking piece of shit lying bastard. I just got off the
> >unity list because I didn't want to be around morons like you. By the way,
> >did those "blacks" who talked to you about Cuba also profess a preference
> >for watermelon and fried chicken, you racist dog.

and be allowed to not only join the list, but write such filth while i am 
banned from taking part and can not defend myself. I think this behavior 
shows that the list has one set of demands for Malecki including what i 
think about this or that or putting my participation on the list to the vote 
and another democracy for all others who join the list! Including people 
that have attacked with viscious personal slanders or more subtle methods 
like Doug from the new left economic rag.. Is this correct? I think it is a 
correct evaluation of the present situation. I think it is both wrong and 
clearly stinks of class byist and racist incinuations directed at poor and 
working class people. A sort of "unity" list at Jefferson Village aparthied. 
I am getting extremely angry about this obvious disgusting behavior by those 
responsible for the list!

>
>I have put your request for subscription "on hold" for the
>moment. When (if) we manage to pull together on the
>left-unity list, I will propose that you are added to the
>list, to be given a chance, since you promise to be capable
>of serious discussion and think you can manage in the
>milieu.

Firstly I think you putting these special conditions on Malecki should be 
seen in the light of the above apartheid system that seems to being formed 
in regards to certain poor and working class people. Do you have a list of 
conditions for blacks also? Has anyone else on the list be forced to follow 
these conditions? When i recieve and answer from you to the affirmative then 
naturally i also will adher to these conditions. Until then i take it has 
and insult and system of apathied directed at me personally and perhaps 
blacks, other minority groups, or poor and working class people in general!

>However, if too many voices are raised in protest, I will 
>consider that a democratic veto from the list against your 
>subscription, and heed it.

So you are in fact prepared to enforce a undemocratic and apathied system 
based on list democracy! I find this amazing coming from anyone claiming to 
be Communist or Socialist. 
>
>I hope you accept this way of dealing with it.

No (someone's name) and this is why!

Finally because of the unbelieveable charcter of the present trend of 
apathied and inquistional questions directed at poor and working class 
people in order to even get on the "unity" mailing list at Jefferson 
Village. I am posting this and my reply to the "unity list moderater, to M1, 
numerous orgainisations and friends and to Usenet.
Please do not take this as a personal attack and i intend to delete any 
names in order that this does not involve into a personal feud. The issue of 
Apathied and atomsphere of the Spanish inquisition developing on the "unity" 
list at Jefferson Village is a very dangerous turn. It is and insult to poor 
and working class people and if continued will be fought and defeated by 
communists in the future I hope. I will do my best to be in the lead of the 
struggle against this trend in defeating it and sweeping it onto the trash 
pile of history!

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki

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<http://www.ios.com/~dizzyman/haha/>
Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara,Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my
Cristalball. 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Banned from the "Unity" list at Jefferson Village For being
 a "Trotskyist" and a "philthy lumpen" background, who today 
lives with his "pigs and donkeys" in exile-where he ran away 
during the Vietnam War.

According to the ex-vice viseur of the "Unity" list at
 Jefferson village!
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