From: "Karl Carlile" <joseph-AT-indigo.ie>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:11:30 +0000
Subject: Re: Karl C's muddle--Hegel or Engels?



Karl Carlile is confusing Hegelian views with Engels's when he asserted that
Engels believed in God.

NEIL: Karl C. I think is distorting materialist dialectics and turning it back to
Hegelian dialectics which is transcendental!

KARL CARLILE: Dialectical materialism is a vulgar form of Hegeianism.

KARL CARLILE: Dialectical materialism is an idealist dialectics. The 
materialist conception of history to which I subscribe is a 
materialist dialectics.

NEIL: Engels dealt with immanent laws of evolution which are natural. These laws were
based on material processes in nature. These laws are not laws that are OUTSIDE
or BEYOND nature but INSIDE nature.

KARL: There has been no scientific evidence to prove the above thesis. 
Scientific development has never employed dialectical materialism nor 
used it as a scientific theory. If you say these laws are inside 
nature then one might as easily argue that pantheism equally claims 
that god is inside nature in the sense that nature for certain forms 
of pantheism is god.







                              Yours etc.,
                                         Karl 


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