Date: 03 Sep 96 23:45:49 EDT
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-compuserve.com>
Subject: Karl C's muddle-Engels or  Billy Graham


dear friends,

 Karl C. please  No smokescreens. You said Engels believed in god .
We  showed his basic teachings  on the laws in nature show NO yielding to
spiritualism.
Engels was clear there is no god inside nature. We will stand with him on that.

You shoot up your smokescreen of pantheism. You are trying to stuff round pegs
in square holes.
Pantheism holds the totality of nature is  god, therefore it is impersonal and
not transcendental because it is the universe itself!
Science accepts the method of LAWS governing the universe and if there were not
laws governing nature, there would be no science! There would be no science if
there were no laws in nature.

You may need to  transcend your own ego here!

If there were not laws in nature,  for just  one example, aerodynamics, which is
based on an understanding of laws of nature, we would not at a certain
historical stage, have been able to master flight.

Karl C.,drop this transcendental egotism  and come back to the world of
objective reality! Don't debase the
Karl Marx-list into a Rev.  Billy Graham list!


Neil
C. Roman




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