Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:25:19 +0200 (MET DST)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: On Iraq 


>
>* We had a very interesting debate with comrade Bob Malecki on Iraq. It is a 
>good debate and have nothing in common of some low quality insults-exchanges 
>that we could see on the internet.
>
>Bob said:
>"What is your position. Drive the Jews into the sea? Or what? Otherwise you 
>have my criticism of the part on the Israeli question either you support it 
>or you are against it."
>
>Jose answer:
>No, Bob WE ARE AGAINST EXPELLING THE JEWS IN TO SEA.
>That was the position of Nahuel Moreno. We are in favour of the unity of the 
>Israeli Jew working class with the Arab workers. We are in favour of a 
>socialist federation in the middle east in which the different ethnic groups

GOOD! Then say so in your document! 
>
>of the Israelian Jews (ashkenazis, Falashas, sefardites, etc.) should have 
>the right to exist freely. 
>We don't put an equal sign between the Zionist nationalism and the 
>Palestinean nationalism. We don't put an equal sign between the White KKK 
>nationalism in the US with the Black militants nationalism. Despite our 
>disagreements with malcolm X and the Black panthers we would defend them 
>against the White Power nationalists. We have the same attitude in 
>Palestine.

This is entirely correct in this context. But Zionism is not the Israeli 
working class.
Just as the Mullah fundementalism is not the working class. And in th middle 
east
both Zionism and Mullah fundementalism having very strong links to state 
power. These states are both capitalists and clients of imperialism or 
imperialist in their own right. This puts it above the level of the example 
of Black Panthers vs KKK. It puts it on the level of reactionary nationalist 
ideology on both sides with programs to wipe each other out! It is the 
ideology that they use from uniting the Arab and Israeli workers along 
religous lines to devide and hold up these structures. That is why the 
question of "class against class" is fundemental in the region.

>We don't agree with Hamas and FDPLP bombs on israeli kids and civilians. 
>Nevertheless we defend every palestinian anti-zionist fighter against 
>repression. We advocate a class policy: the only way in which the Arab 
>workers could smash the Zionist state is not in alliance with their own 
>bourgeoisie, it is in alliance with the Israeli Jew workers.

If you are saying here that the Hamas are anti-zionist fighters which of 
course they are in a sense. The problem is that they think that the entire 
Israeli population is Zionist and should be driven into the sea. Because 
their being backed up by the capitalists and pro-imperialist Iran! And if 
you advocate a class policy against this then why not say so in the document. 
>
>I honestly think that you are wrong in renouncing the support to a document 
>which you help to draft. Despite our differences we want to express with you 
>
>our solidarity against with-hunts in the internet.

The one liner on Israel is unsupportable. Because it is vague and unclear. 
But it also has brought out this most interesting discussion. As i said. You 
stand for your document. I stand for my original document.

Bob Malecki  
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