Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:20:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Re: 'sociality' again Gee. What is Holy? Adam is right. I ended up in troubles. That's because of my sociologisms: why for example that kid didn't managed to do this or that isn't fruitfully answered by invoking god or genes. Sociality is better 'explanation' - or better: it's better horisont for closer study. But broad historical & evolutionary schema needs different kind of explanations. I just don't happen to know anthropology enough in order to say anything deep about development of sociality. I have read something on birth of language, but that has been quite speculative because of object. "I think you, Jukka, make two contradictory statements : " If they [human & animal sociality -jl] are different, when hominids hadn't differentiated themselves from apes they had "animal sociality". At some point in time, they had developed "human sociality". The development of one >from the other HAS to be explained. " Agreed. In general, though, I've sometimes wondered whether we should try to explain development. And isn't development an explanation (or is it just a horisont for it)? Then again, distinctively 'human sociality' is of such an importance to us that it surely should be on top of an agenda. " If you don't explain it, then why did it happen ? Lack of explanation inevitably leads to invoking god and/or sparks of humanity. Or superficially more scientific, langauge floats down from the sky and lands on human beings, so differentiating us from other animals. " That's right, I guess. But if I don't have facts on something then I don't try to explain it. At the moment it seems that we can't give any well grounded argument about development of language. I've been told that researchers simply can't agree even on basics (great example: was Neanderthalian a species or what?). For me that means: kind of philosophical or speculative story is all by which we can have broad and general view on that particular development. But this isn't strictly explanation, I'm afraid. Evald Ilyenkov once wrote about Spinoza how he (as philosopher) simply stated that what happens in brains (objectively) and what happens in mind (by introspective gaze) is one and the same process. Sp. wasn't able to prove it, so he left it for future scientists to study and prove that this really is the case. In a same way, I believe, marxists theories on human development through work and labour are most fruitful ones. But surely anthropologists are supposed to do quite a lot of new research in order to really prove those theories. Yours, Jukka --- from list marxism2-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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