Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:47:11 -0600 From: Lisa Rogers <eqwq.lrogers-AT-state.ut.us> Subject: Re: Women's oppression -Reply -Reply >>> Ryan Daum <rdaum-AT-gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> 4/25/96, 12:07pm >>> The point is that capitalism does not create patriarchy, and nor does patriarchy create capitalism -- not only is it bad politics to claim that women's oppression stems from capitalist exploitation, it's also bad anthropology. Like it or not, patriarchy has to be fought against by women for women, with the aid of men -- but it can never depend on men and male dominated organizations for a struggle against patriarchy! Lisa: I tend to agree. Unfortunately, I can't honestly say that male supremacists are just suffering from false consciousness or wrong ideas. I think that there are some actual goodies that many male supremacists receive for their domineering behavior. That's how the traditional gender roles and expectations were drummed into us >from birth, by rewards and punishments for "proper" attitudes and behavior. Same goes for capitalism and everything, and the process doesn't stop with childhood. If early childhood is a training ground for boys to be tough little competitors, that is only because caregivers [rightly] believe that will make the kids more successful at being men in a man's world, where manly domineering behavior will continue to be 'rewarded' as an adult. Possibly even within some socialist circles. [Of course, it's not so rewarding for the men who are no good at it, or lose out in the struggle for supremacy over each other, but it might be the only game in town.] --- from list marxism2-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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