Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:22:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: TREE - reply to Terry's of 4-19, part 2 -Reply -Reply Rahul writes, > I will jump in with both feet as soon as I get a chance, but I have to say > at the moment that your characterization of Dawkins's views is in direct > contradiction to what he says in The Blind Watchmaker, where he explicitly > states that extreme adaptationist views, which would include the idea that > pigs could develop wings, are absurd. He also claims that no sensible > evolutionary scientist would hold such views, which of course means that > there are many scientists in those fields who he doesn't consider sensible. > Perhaps if you gave us a quote from him? > I have only my memory to go on, though the passage in question MAY have appeared in the London Times Higher Education Supplement. I do remember it quite vividly though as the image was striking and well chosen, something for which Dawkins is justly renowned. This disjunction in stated positions by Dawkins illustrates a general problem, one which is also raised by the question as to whether Gould and Lewontin are exaggerating the Ultra position. I have observed (mostly in a social science context) that under attack or criticism someone's position often becomes extremely subtle, nuanced and hedged around with qualifications. Extremes are fervently disavowed. Once the questions recede, however, all the nuances are dropped and the formerly "extreme position which nobody seriously advocates" mysteriously reappears. Which is the real position? A case could be made for the nuanced one as it is the one expressed when under professional scrutiny. I confess however that I strongly believe that the real position is the one which appears in the less guarded moments (like journalistic interviews). To criticize the strong version of an argument is not illegitimate, rather it more often gets to the real heart of the matter. It is not surprising that these criticisms of standard evolutionary theory eminate from scientists who have also studied Marxism (this is a more specific observation about Gould and Lewontion than pink politics). Not because Marx or Marxism has much directly to say about these questions (Engels is best passed over in silence), but because the study of history (remember Marxism is the science of history) illuminates historical processes. The history of life is a quintessentially historical process and a productive cross fertilization can be expected. The argument that falls out of Gould's writings is that history is both a deterministic and contingent process. If one looks only to the deterministic forces (natural selection in the case of biology, class struggle in the case of human history) one inevitably gets a teleological account in which forces converge on a preordained result (optimal adaptation, communism). It is the introduction of contingent forces (like those mentioned in Gallagher's and Dr. Blood's posts) in interaction with the deterministic process which constitutes a truly historical explanation. Dawkins and co. do not really concede the importance of these contingent forces and this leads to reductionist (everything is the consequence of selfish genes) and teleological (observed phenomenal are the optimal result of an optimizing process) explanations. Note that this is not a debate about whether natural selection is central to the Darwinian account. It is a debate about the specific character of the dynamic influence of natural selection in real historical time. Terry McDonough --- from list marxism2-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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