Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:55:46 +0300 (EET DST) From: J Laari <jlaari-AT-cc.jyu.fi> Subject: social - Hans Hans, about 'social'. I don't have English translation of Capital so I can't get help from there in order to grasp you choice of words. I'm just wondering what do you mean by 'social' in relation to Marx. He used terms 'sozial' and 'gesellschaftlich' to distinguish between human interaction in general ('social' to my understanding) and developing capitalist relations. Latter had their birth in the process of 'capitalization' of work into 'gesellschaftliche Arbeit' (labour?), and in this sense seem to be basically economic relations. However, as general, society-wide relations (seeing from the point of view of nation states), including both production and other 'commercial' relations, they are distinct form of human relations. I know - I've been told - that 'societal' isn't good choice for translating 'gesellschaftlich' but it's one way of saving terminological and conceptual differences in Marx. It seems we agree that there's in Capital more than 'only' economic theory, but I've understood that Marx neither made any real social theory in modern sense, nor total theory of society. Yes, there are lots in Capital - related especially with 'value law' and 'societal' - to these theories I mentioned, but can't take them as theories. By the way, I think that question concerning social and societal was thought to be quite important, especially in seventies. Jukka > Dialectics as employed in the Hegelian, Marxian and Critical Realist > traditions are both natural and social. Although for Hegel and > espeically for Marx himself, dialectical logic is usually a social logic, > namely a reconstruction of social relationships and social structure in > thought. --- from list marxism2-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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