Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:43:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Expelled from Foucault list


Dear Hugh:

Thank you for your reply, information and suggestions. Although I 
dont agree with all that you say I have found you to be one of the 
more interesting contributors to the lists in terms of quality.

What rules were you said to have broken.

> Karl writes:
> 
> >Hugh: Can you fill me in on information concerning this Foucault
> >List. A few people on this List were responsible for expelling me
> >from the List and then preventing mail of mine from getting into the
> >archives.
> 
> Since you ask, I'll reply.
> 
> I'm afraid the only expulsions I know about are the ones from marxism2 --
> BodySack, Robert M and myself. The first two still in force, the third ban
> lifted because I agreed, grinding my teeth, to abide by the rules. The
> first two expulsions took place pretty informally, the third was formalized
> after the event as you might say, and the rules were formulated to cover
> the expulsions retroactively before I reapplied for subscription rights.
> 
> Could be you were zapped by informal excommunication on grounds no one is
> obliged to reveal to you. It became abundantly clear in the discussions
> here that this is quite feasible. The lists are no democratic havens run by
> the participants, they aren't parties and they aren't organizations with
> any formal structure of decision-making, they're run by a collective on
> what seems to be a take-it-or-leave-it basis, with a variety of attitudes
> to participation, openness and control. Marxism1 is completely open and
> uncensored, to the credit of those who unleashed it and in fact by their
> good offices -- the day they tire of the free-for-all experiment, we get
> switched off. M2 is open but subject to strict moderation with respect to
> the rules stated in the policy sheet and with the sanction of unsubbing at
> the discretion of the moderator. You'd better check out the policy sheet of
> the Foucault list and try and find out if there's unstated policy at work
> if you can find some experienced subscriber willing to talk to you.
> 
> >
> >At first I was able to send messages to the Foucault List after
> >being expelled then that stopped. I then sent mail to the marxism
> >list which none of you got and which never appeared in the archives.
> [snip]>
> >If you read a letter in the current foucault archives concerned under
> >a heading which has my name on it you will see an oiminous message by
> >one of the moderators of that list.
> >
> >It seems that certain people have may have access to internet
> >providers and be able to tamper with accounts. At the moment it is
> >under investigation.
> >
> >Now suddenly I am able to write messages again.
> 
> Nothing surprises me here. It can be a very Alice-in-Wonderland sort of
> place. But you ought to challenge the moderator to explain that message.
> 
> Another possibility is sabotage. I had someone fake my e-mail address as
> 'sender' of an uncomplimentary letter to m2 about the moderator, and this
> kind of thing may be happening to you.
> 
> Sorry I can't be more specific.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
> 
> 
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                              Yours etc.,
                                         Karl 


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