Date: 21 Sep 96 04:15:49 EDT
Subject: the state redux & socialism


dear justin,

It seems your muddle on the nature of socialism & communism  continues.

You state in your  reply to Adam/UK on 9/20

".......I carefully avoided any ones (non-class conflicts-NC) that turned on the
sort of disputes that arise in a socialist or any other market
economy."............

The above is an oxymoron at best .
Bonifide  socialism is workers rule,  without exploitation of person by person
and ALL capitalist market
relations are superceded by socialist mode of worker  planned  production for
Human need, not for sale and profit.
There is NO  longer markets operative  under socialist/communist  relations of
production. We don't even have money either, this too  is phased out in the
transition period.

Markets imply buying and selling commodities, including the commodity human
labor power, & capital accumulation with surplus value.
This is capitalism still Justin so  your confusions on this issue inevitably
affect your reasoning denying the possibility of totally doing away with the
political state under communism.

I think you have some  erroneous social democratic, liberal , etc. concepts of
the basic social relations and laws of motion of welfare state and
state--capitalist societies and are confusing this with workers socialism and
communism!  

Justin S.,You are mixing used liberal  Justin- oil and  polluting the Communist
waters.

Neil



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