Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 13:30:54 GMT From: Adam Rose <adam-AT-pmel.com> Subject: Re: The state redux Hugh writes: > > > > In our late socialist or communist societies (in the classical Gotha > > programme sense), the enforcement will be by ad hoc groups with powers of > > constraint and seizure. Maybe something like a combination of a people's > > militia and jury service in an early stage of socialism, then more and more > > by self-mobilizing mechanisms as the kind of events requiring intervention > > are better known and classified and the best way of dealing with them is > > scientifically evaluated. > I think Hugh is wrong about this ( not as wrong as Justin, of course ). Enforcement will never be by ad hoc groups, except perhaps at times on the barricades themselves. Just as the capitalist state delegates the application of force to groups of armed men, it may well be the case that it is not necessary to mobilise the entire working class for each little act of repression. But these small acts of repression will be carried out under the immediate supervision of the institutions of the workers state. As the workers state develops, ie wither away, there will become less and less need for a state. Such discipline as is necessary will become more and more voluntary. Such coordination as is necessary will become more and more simply a question of bookkeeping, not politics. There may be some arguments, perhaps similar to the arguments between me and my partner : "you take the bins out - no you - no you". These arguments may even get quite heated. But physical force is not necessary to resolve them. In the end, one of us voluntarily takes the bins out. Of course, such a society cannot come about overnight. It will take at least a generation for all "the old shit" of capitalism to be got rid of, although the process of revolution itself will get rid of a lot it from the word go. Adam. Adam Rose SWP Manchester UK --------------------------------------------------------------- --- from list marxism2-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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