File spoon-archives/marxism2.archive/marxism2_1996/96-10-21.210, message 57


From: "Rosser Jr, John Barkley" <rosserjb-AT-jmu.edu>
Subject: Re: M2 and "Marxism-Theory"
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:52:52 -0400 ()


     Just for the record, as one who has called for the 
continuation of M2, I have no problem with "marxism-theory" 
as a new name for M2, if the spoons insist on beating the 
eggs.  If we all know what is up, then we can go there and 
do our thing, whatever that may be and within whatever 
limits of moderation are established by Jukka, Chris S. or 
whoever.
Barkley Rosser
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Justin Schwartz 
<jschwart-AT-freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:


> 
> My conception of marxism-theory--I don't care about the name--is that it
> will just be m2 continued. If people don't like the name, how about
> marxism.critique or marxism.analysis or marxism.alternative or
> marxism.serious?
> 
> M2ers should just switch over. Or better: if enough of us write in to the
> high-handed spoon list, maybe they will switch us over automatically.
> 
> --Justin
> 
> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Gerald Levy wrote:
> 
> > Tom Condit wrote:
> > 
> > > It seems to me that the discussion on the state which has been going on here
> > > qualifies as "theory", unless by "theory" you mean something which can only
> > > be approached after reading at least one dozen books containing many
> > > multisyllabic words.
> > 
> > That's *not* the point, Tom.
> > 
> > The *myth* that m2 is a "theory" list vs. m1 which is a marxism list was
> > advanced by the "activist" *opponents* of m2 from m1.
> > 
> > We are *not* only a "marxism-theory" list and I deeply resent it when the
> > "marxists" from m1 continue to perpetuate this historical-revisionist
> > slur.
> > 
> > All along, there has been *only* one major problem with m2. That problem,
> > put frankly, is that we are *infected* by the presence of some, like Hugh,
> > who have always opposed the very existence of this list and who have gone
> > out of their way to transmit m1 havoc onto this list.
> > 
> > The bottom line is this: in the Spoon reorganization plan there is no
> > space currently for *us* to discuss issues of general interest to marxism
> > (theory *and* praxis). The simple fact is that those who joined this list
> > in disgust of what m1 had become will not join m-general. Most will
> > probably also not join m-international since that list is being moderated
> > by some from the m1 crowd who also opposed us on m2.
> > 
> > If Spoons dissolves this list, then where will *we* go? M-theory? While I
> > see nothing wrong with m-theory _per se_, it is not a replacement for a
> > general list like m2.
> > 
> > This whole reorganization reminds me of some "urban redevelopment" plans
> > in urban areas in the US. With redevelopment thriving urban communities
> > (usually working-class residential communities that surrounded the central
> > business district) were bulldozed with the promise that the "city" would
> > be better-off in the future as new businesses were created. It, of course,
> > didn't work that way.
> > 
> > Why should this viable community be sacrificed for the glory or some
> > greater "plan" that may or may not see its potential realized?
> > 
> > Jerry
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
Rosser Jr, John Barkley
rosserjb-AT-jmu.edu




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