Subject: Re: Objectivity and Ideology
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:24:38 -0700 (MST)


All--
	I have enjoyed the thread so far, esp Ken's earliest comments.  I have 
kept quiet because this topic is not my cup of tea, so to speak.  

Anyhow . . .  

	Not only is the Ostrow/Kaneda post reductionist, it seems, well, 
wrong-- wrong in that it is a misrepresentation (meconnaisance, a big 
let down, dropping the ball) of Freud, Marx, and Nietszche.  THough, I do 
like the idea of discussing these three at once and in the order you placed 
them.   Was this on purpose?
	Ideology represents the imaginary relationship of 
individuals to the conditions of their real existence, so I don't quite 
understand the statement concerning Marx ("all power constitutes the 
ideological desire of transcendence, imaginary or real.")  The 
statement definitely does nothing for me in reference to what I know 
and have read of Marx.  "Power" is so complex an idea, how can it be 
represented as "desire of transcendence" (or do you mean FOR 
transcedence)? 
	My second question is:  In every instance, for Freud, is power 
imagined?   I am thinking of tragic figures of power at this time-- 
Oedipus and Lear specifically, Hamlet would work as well.  Or what of 
Creon's ultimate statement in Antigone.  I believe he states that nothing 
can come to be without his "saying" it.  There seem to be real 
representations of power as well as spectral representations.  I would 
love to divulge my ideas in full examples, unfortunately I have no time 
as I am at work :( .
	My third question is:  How is "THE will to power" real?  If 
anything is ideological, an imaginary representation of a CONDITION of 
real existence, it is THE will to power.  I like to think of Nietzsche as 
pyschologist.  So I naturally missed your nuance distinguishing the 
imaginary power (Freud) and THE will to power (Nietzsche [following the 
lead of others, I am aware]).

regards and looking forward to the continuing thread
keep it up


norris
 


> 
> I too think it reductionist. What I have never accepted about these types
> of explanations is that they do not allow a person to take a statement or
> action at face value and understand it. 
> 
> 
> At 08:54 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:41:33 -0500  Ostrow/Kaneda wrote:
> >
> >>From the freudian point of view all power is imagined from that 
> >of marx all power constitutes the  ideological  desire of 
> >transcendence imagine or real it is the will to power that is 
> >real.
> >
> >Does anyone else think this is reductionist or is it just me?
> >
> >ken
> >
> >
> >
>