Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:20:34 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: Jouissance


On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 kenneth.mackendrick-AT-utoronto.ca wrote:

> reinforced through labour and the means of production). In effect, one does not 
> desire a commodity or consumer good for oneself, but for the Other - which the 
> consumer good is supposed to satiate --> I buy a book for my Library (so my 
> Library can enjoy it or I tape a TV show that I never intend to watch so my VCR 
> can enjoy watching it for me). If we are going to talk about "my desire" this 

But as soon as I read the book or watch the film I'm "stealing back" the 
enjoyment? (I'm not asking this provocatively but because I'm trying to 
understand it.) 

> has to do with fantasy - the way in which a subject (uniquely) organizes their 
> enjoyment. So I'd make that distinction: desire is always the desire of the 

But isn't one central stage of Lacanian analysis that of traversing the 
fantasy - i.e., abandoning it (or is traversing not the same as 
abandoning?) Or is it enough to realize that it is a fantasy - to keep 
it, but to control it rather than be controlled by it?

Fred