Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:42:46 -0500 From: albright-AT-world.std.com (R.H. Albright) Subject: Re: Nietzsche and Rationalism Hi, John T. Duryea! You ask: >I wonder if Nietzsche is not criticising here the entire European >"Enlightenment", including Darwin and Marx among others? >With the Imperium, philosophy, as such, disappears. And I would have to say "yes and no". Let's see if I can deconstruct the text and see if what I see is what you see, or if it sheds a different light, or... what. >Twilight of the Idols, 10: > >"If one needs to make a tyrant of reason, as Socrates did, then... He is using Socrates as a symbol, of course. Socrates is more than just a "tyrant of reason". Marx thought he had summed up who was doing what to whom, and how to stop it. Darwin was much more open-ended, and people like William James, and Nietzsche, probably, realized this. The, as what James calls, here: " ....Things are 'with' one another in many ways, but nothing includes everything, or dominates over everything. The word 'and' trails along after every sentence. Something always escapes. 'Ever not quite' has to be said of the best attempts made anywhere in the universe at attaining all-inclusiveness...." ---William James, from _A Pluralistic Universe_ The "ever so much, but escaping" effect of searching for knowledge. James, too, by the way, bashes Socrates. Here: "I saw that philosophy had been on a false scent ever since the days of Socrates and Plato, that an _intellectual_ answer to the intellectualist's difficulty will never come, and that the real way out of them, far from consisting in the discovery of such an answer, consists in simply closing one's ears to the question. When conceptualism summons life to justify itself in conceptual terms, it is like a challenge addressed in a foreign language to some one who is absorbed in his own business; it is irrelevant to him altogether-- he may let it lie unnoticed...." ---William James, from _A Pluralistic Universe_ And for the same reason that Nietzsche does, as early as "The Birth of Tragedy". That LIFE is not the same thing as an intellectual response, or what Blake called Aristotle's "skeleton". That there's *mystery*, hence James's fascination in what is now called parapsychology. >there must exist no little danger of something else playing the >tyrant. Rationality was at that time divined as a saviour; And of course PASSION is very much a part of our lives, too. Jesus, Blakes tells us, operated on sheer impulse. Sounds Dionysian, doesn't it? (Marriage of Heaven and Hell) >neither >Socrates nor his 'invalids' were free to be rational or not, as >they wished- it was de rigueur, it was their last expedient. Still-- do you think Nietzsche would just turn TOTALLY away from the rational, which is spiritual GodFather, Emerson (see Walter Kaufmann intro to GAY SCIENCE for more info), often put as the source beam of hope? Reason is still a solid ground, but it's *how* it's used. Is it used to efficiently gas Jews? Is it used to pull body away from "mind" (Descartes' error?). Or is it used to realize that there is MORE than just reason, and that body and mind are part of the same condition, being alive, with enigma far greater than our "knowing" will ever know? >The >fanaticism with which the whole of Greek thought throws >itself at rationality betrays a state of emergency; As it was, also, during Nietzsche's time, was it not? And when Lenin's Revolution happened, some came back and said, "I have seen the future and it works!" But it wasn't as simple as that, was it! And neither can one disclaim how much Mao HELPED China, even as he did other really bad things, or that the literacy rate in Cuba is highest in the Caribbean, even as free press there is only on paper! >one was in >peril, one had only one choice: either to perish or - be absurdly >rational... Again, this is Nietzsche's "construct", but it's interesting. It's why Blake set up Urizen (Reason) against Los (The Prophet of the Eternal *Imagination*) as dialectics. Yes. Something got LOST along the way, under Urizen's tyranny. >The moralism of the Greek philosophers from >Plato downwards is pathologically conditioned: This IS a gross generalization, of course. Aristotle at least defended the theater and "art", unlike Plato, and had some interesting theories that I think are still valid. These thinkers aren't TOTAL bunk. It's just that they're limited, and THINK they're know-it-alls. I would like to think that this is Nietzsche's complaint, made sarcastic and sometimes shrill to the point that, like Blake at times, you can't hear that he also has *some* respect for them, too. Remember that if Dionysus and Apollo came back, all we'd have is intoxication and dream. Do you think Nietzsche would be averse to the scientific method HELPING people (SuperPeople like Madame Curie, or the invention of pennicilin?)...? And people helping THE PLANET, i.e. endangered species, etc.? It's in our self-interest to be selfless, at times. >likewise their >estimation of dialectics. This is a good point. As Emerson said, "life is not dialectics". Dialectics are a way to view things, but as Nietzsche shows, it's only when you allow them to mutate even as you use them, that they're alive and not mechanical/dead... >Reason = virtue = happiness means >merely: one must imitate Socrates and counter dark desires >by producing a permanent daylight - the daylight of reason. Yes. And although, again, there is *some* truth in wanting to "attain happiness", as the Declaration of Independence in the US declares, there is also some truth in the fact that some of the best art (Van Gogh, Blake, Lawrence, and others come quickly to mind) is actually the product of great PAIN. >One must be prudent, clear, bright at any cost: every yielding >to the instincts, to the unconscious, leads downwards..." "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom." - Blake, MHH again And, again, Blake's assertion is merely a half-truth, or "contrary" (dark?) to the light. And also, as Fritjof Capra puts it in _The Tao of Physics_, being at peace with NOT knowing, or knowing that when you view something as Y, you may be abnegating that it's also Z, is being at peace with half-truths, glimpses of the truth, realizing that there is more to life than "Enlightenment" in the Western sense of the word. How about, for example, "Enlightenment" in the Zen Buddhist sense of the word, which perhaps is why Nietzsche is so popular in Japan? ---Randall Albright http://world.std.com/~albright/ --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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