From: "henry sholar" <H_SHOLAR-AT-marta.uncg.edu>
Date:          Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:24:08 EST
Subject:       Re: The Four Cardinal Virtues



>Except, it seems to me, that Nietzsche's position here is really no
>different than Heidegger's notion of authenticity. I would even go so far
>as to say that Heidegger's notion comes directly from Nietzsche.
>"Herd-virtues" are, in this sense, inauthentic because they are derived
>from an external authority, rather than being integral to the individual
>(as symbol of a type). "Become what you are," ala Pindar, in other words.



that is *one* view of the "thrown-in-with" or "falling-in-with"
the "they"  (das Man)  of inauthentic existence in _Being & Time_:  
that Heidegger is interpreting 
Nietzschean will to power. 

 there are other views of authenticity:  
that "anticipatory resoluteness" 
is the recognition that human existence 
is simply interpretation all the way down,
cultural roles played on the nothingness of 
human "nature"...
and then you die.

and there are other  interps.: dasein is not 
necessarily individual persons, but human institutions.


>Note also the following from Plato's dialogues (sorry, don't have my finger
>on where):
>
>"It is just to give every man his due." -- Simonides
>
>"And further, we often heard it said and often said ourselves that justice
>consists in doing the things that belong to oneself." -- Socrates.
>
>Nietzsche's point, I can't help but feel, is that herd-virtues
>(herd-values, if you will) subvert both of these possibilities.
>

I think Nietzsche's point, then, like Plato's, is a metaphysical
one that there is some essence that precedes -- or, perhaps--
co-exists with human existence.  

If we as individuals are
nothing but cultural 
roles we interpret with
appropriate skill.

kindest regards,
henry



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