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From: "Jesse bloom" <essej-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Four Cardinal Virtues
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:33:19 PDT




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>From: Steve Callihan <callihan-AT-callihan.seanet.com>
>Subject: Re: The Four Cardinal Virtues
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>At 04:30 PM 7/15/98 EST, you wrote:
>>>From:          MES0075-AT-aol.com
>>
>>>These are not categories.
>>>What other parachutes would you suggest.
>>>
>>
>>categories:  
>>1) ourselves
>>2) friends
>>3) enemies
>>4) the defeated.
>>
>>but what is your point?
>
>Just to add a clarification here. Nietzsche, further on in Daybreak, 
would
>seem at least in part to agree that there are four, and only four, 
cardinal
>virtues (see below). These virtues are, of course, honesty, bravery,
>magnanimity, and politeness. That they are stated by Nietzsche in a
>conditional form, means I think that they are not virtues in themselves
>(nothing is). To be honest with someone who is not ourself or a friend
>might not be a virtue, for instance. Similarly, being brave towards our
>friends might not either, just as magnanimity toward the victorious  
could
>hardly be called a virtue. Politeness, however, he sees as the least, 
while
>the most universal, of the cardinal virtues:
>
>"_Condition for politeness_. -- Politeness is a very good thing and in 
fact
>one  of the four cardinal virtues (if the last of them): but it is is 
not
>to make us burdensome to one another, he with whom I have to do has to 
be a
>degree more or a degree less polite than I am -- otherwise we shall get
>nowhere, and the salve will not only salve us but stick us together."
>(Daybreak 392)
>
>The virtue of politeness is, in other words, that it is a social salve.
>That is its universality. However, once it ceases to salve, it ceases 
to be
>a virtue (is merely an empty form).
>
>Actually, I suspect that the notion of the four cardinal virtues 
originates
>from someone else, quite possibly from Schopenhauer. Anybody know where
>this idea really comes from?
>
>Best,
>
>Steve 
>



just to cut in a little . ..

  Well i can hardly see virtue as constituted by anything else other 
then the 'value' inputed to it by others . . Taking in mind the 'system 
of drives' that make up every man's reality , i somehow believe that 
virtue cannot be distinguised from value. the Reformation of mediavel 
europe took for its emerging Protestant ethic, that of choosing a 
disciplined and ordered lifestyle as virtue other than that the monastic 
ideals of Catholicism , with both the strata of priesthood to segragrate 
life into pockets of post and pre confession postand pre salvation .well 
with the rise of Calvinism, Baptism etc .. god was recognised as 
transcedent. and that every reality and aspect of life must be lived in 
his eyes . all reality was integrated with the thought that 'god is 
watching'. The same thing with virtues. a self-observing value system . 
but instead of God taking the head, the others, the herd takes on the 
ordering of that value system . i hardly think that there can be a 
Heidegger authenticity, mans interiority is after all at the same time 
an observation and reaction towards the others. i know this isn't mostly 
about N but thats what i think . oh yeah i think the Four cardinal 
virtues came somewhat transformed from Bacon . 


je


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