From: "Jesse bloom" <essej-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Four Cardinal Virtues Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:33:19 PDT >From owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Wed Jul 15 15:11:20 1998 >Received: (from domo-AT-localhost) by lists.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id RAA19275 for nietzsche-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:13 -0400 >X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.Virginia.EDU: domo set sender to owner-nietzsche-AT-localhost using -f >Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by lists.village.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA37191 for <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:09 -0400 >Received: from callihan (usr42-dialup51.mix1.Sacramento.mci.net [166.55.13.115]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22833 for <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:07 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715145502.007ae100-AT-pop.seanet.com> >X-Sender: callihan-AT-pop.seanet.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:55:02 -0700 >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU >From: Steve Callihan <callihan-AT-callihan.seanet.com> >Subject: Re: The Four Cardinal Virtues >In-Reply-To: <119BA6623E8-AT-marta.uncg.edu> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU > >At 04:30 PM 7/15/98 EST, you wrote: >>>From: MES0075-AT-aol.com >> >>>These are not categories. >>>What other parachutes would you suggest. >>> >> >>categories: >>1) ourselves >>2) friends >>3) enemies >>4) the defeated. >> >>but what is your point? > >Just to add a clarification here. Nietzsche, further on in Daybreak, would >seem at least in part to agree that there are four, and only four, cardinal >virtues (see below). These virtues are, of course, honesty, bravery, >magnanimity, and politeness. That they are stated by Nietzsche in a >conditional form, means I think that they are not virtues in themselves >(nothing is). To be honest with someone who is not ourself or a friend >might not be a virtue, for instance. Similarly, being brave towards our >friends might not either, just as magnanimity toward the victorious could >hardly be called a virtue. Politeness, however, he sees as the least, while >the most universal, of the cardinal virtues: > >"_Condition for politeness_. -- Politeness is a very good thing and in fact >one of the four cardinal virtues (if the last of them): but it is is not >to make us burdensome to one another, he with whom I have to do has to be a >degree more or a degree less polite than I am -- otherwise we shall get >nowhere, and the salve will not only salve us but stick us together." >(Daybreak 392) > >The virtue of politeness is, in other words, that it is a social salve. >That is its universality. However, once it ceases to salve, it ceases to be >a virtue (is merely an empty form). > >Actually, I suspect that the notion of the four cardinal virtues originates >from someone else, quite possibly from Schopenhauer. Anybody know where >this idea really comes from? > >Best, > >Steve > just to cut in a little . .. Well i can hardly see virtue as constituted by anything else other then the 'value' inputed to it by others . . Taking in mind the 'system of drives' that make up every man's reality , i somehow believe that virtue cannot be distinguised from value. the Reformation of mediavel europe took for its emerging Protestant ethic, that of choosing a disciplined and ordered lifestyle as virtue other than that the monastic ideals of Catholicism , with both the strata of priesthood to segragrate life into pockets of post and pre confession postand pre salvation .well with the rise of Calvinism, Baptism etc .. god was recognised as transcedent. and that every reality and aspect of life must be lived in his eyes . all reality was integrated with the thought that 'god is watching'. The same thing with virtues. a self-observing value system . but instead of God taking the head, the others, the herd takes on the ordering of that value system . i hardly think that there can be a Heidegger authenticity, mans interiority is after all at the same time an observation and reaction towards the others. i know this isn't mostly about N but thats what i think . oh yeah i think the Four cardinal virtues came somewhat transformed from Bacon . je ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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