From: Sean Saraq <sean_saraq-AT-environics.ca>
Subject: RE: Values and Riddles - The Grass is Always Greener...
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:05:55 -0400 


Though I am sure they are far from "perfect", nonetheless I think the
Dutch today probably have something they could teach the rest of the
world. Today's young Dutch people are as much to blame for the colonial
past of the Netherlands as today's young Germans are to blame for Hitler
- that is, not at all.

Sean Saraq
Toronto

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John T. Duryea [SMTP:jtduryea-AT-dmv.com]
> Sent:	Sunday, August 09, 1998 11:48 AM
> To:	nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject:	Re: Values and Riddles - The Grass is Always Greener...
> 
> 
> 
> >At 10:45 AM 8/4/98 -0400, Sean Saraq wrote:
> >>I'm happy to see that there are quite a few Dutch people on the
> list. As
> >>you may be aware, the World Values Survey, which is the largest
> survey
> >>of socio-cultural values in the world, found the Netherlands to be
> the
> >>most "postmodern" in its values of the 43 countries surveyed. So I
> look
> >>forward to your comments, since you seem to be in the lead of where
> the
> >>world is heading, at least in terms of social values. And don't
> forget,
> >>Nietzsche was writing philosophy for the following two centuries, so
> we
> >>still have a Nietzsche-inspired/foretold century to go! Hopefully
> >>someday I'll have the chance to live in Amsterdam and learn from you
> >>directly.
> >
> >World Values Survey?
> >Nietzsche was very concerned with Values and as far as I know the
> Dutch as
> a
> >people (that are so very progressive or even modern) have neither
> created
> or
> >destroyed any values. It seems to me that Nietzsche would be
> horrified at
> >the thought of world values.  He was more interested in the values of
> >individuals or peoples as long as they exhibited  a will to health
> (opposite
> >of decadence).
> >  "Whatever makes them rule and triumph and shine to the awe of their
> >neighbors, that is to them the high, the first, the measure, the
> meaning of
> >all things. Verily my brother ,once you have recognized the need and
> land
> >and sky and neighbor of  a people you may also guess the law of their
> >overcomings, and why they climb to their hope on this ladder."
> thousand and
> >one goals
> >
> >A possible answer to this riddle...the need for the love of life that
> wills
> >its self.  What is the love of life?  The esteem that one has over a
> creation.
> >
> >Another riddle, this time  from Ecce Homo. What is the meaning of
> Ariadne
> as
> >a response to the night song?
> >
> >Why does a god need a woman that is left upon the shore by a brave
> hero
> >(Theseus)?  Dionysius as a redeemer of Ariadne's past..sounds a bit
> >Wagnerian.  Any thoughts?
> >
> >Dan
> >
> 
> 
> Ahhh, Dan, I wouldn't mind it too much when the provincials cast a
> longing
> eye now and then on some other would-be possessor. Even we Romans from
> time
> to time look back at Athens and it's decadence with bemusement. I
> think
> Holland, and for that matter, most of Europe makes a great living
> museum to
> brotherly love free-thinkers and their "modern ideas". For some
> balance, one
> might chat up an Indonesian about Dutch benevolence.
> 
> John T. Duryea
> 
> 
> 
> 
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