From: Sean Saraq <sean_saraq-AT-environics.ca>
Subject: RE: Values and Riddles
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:15:25 -0400 


Hi Dan,

You are of course right that Nietzsche would have no use for "world
values" or for surveys. As you point out, what "everyone" happens to
believe is not his interest.

Granted the Dutch as a people have not created or destroyed values. Has
any group, "as a people"? I do think from a sociological point of view
it would be interesting to see how these values which are not new, but
more preponderant in the Netherlands, work (or don't work).

Sean Saraq
Toronto

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dan Dzenkowski [SMTP:djdzenko-AT-students.wisc.edu]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 04, 1998 12:39 PM
> To:	nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject:	Values and Riddles
> 
> At 10:45 AM 8/4/98 -0400, Sean Saraq wrote:
> >I'm happy to see that there are quite a few Dutch people on the list.
> As
> >you may be aware, the World Values Survey, which is the largest
> survey
> >of socio-cultural values in the world, found the Netherlands to be
> the
> >most "postmodern" in its values of the 43 countries surveyed. So I
> look
> >forward to your comments, since you seem to be in the lead of where
> the
> >world is heading, at least in terms of social values. And don't
> forget,
> >Nietzsche was writing philosophy for the following two centuries, so
> we
> >still have a Nietzsche-inspired/foretold century to go! Hopefully
> >someday I'll have the chance to live in Amsterdam and learn from you
> >directly.
> 
> World Values Survey?
> Nietzsche was very concerned with Values and as far as I know the
> Dutch as a
> people (that are so very progressive or even modern) have neither
> created or
> destroyed any values. It seems to me that Nietzsche would be horrified
> at
> the thought of world values.  He was more interested in the values of
> individuals or peoples as long as they exhibited  a will to health
> (opposite
> of decadence).
>   "Whatever makes them rule and triumph and shine to the awe of their
> neighbors, that is to them the high, the first, the measure, the
> meaning of
> all things. Verily my brother ,once you have recognized the need and
> land
> and sky and neighbor of  a people you may also guess the law of their
> overcomings, and why they climb to their hope on this ladder."
> thousand and
> one goals
> 
> A possible answer to this riddle...the need for the love of life that
> wills
> its self.  What is the love of life?  The esteem that one has over a
> creation.  
> 
> Another riddle, this time  from Ecce Homo. What is the meaning of
> Ariadne as
> a response to the night song?
> 
> Why does a god need a woman that is left upon the shore by a brave
> hero
> (Theseus)?  Dionysius as a redeemer of Ariadne's past..sounds a bit
> Wagnerian.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
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