From: Sean Saraq <sean_saraq-AT-environics.ca>
Subject: RE: Peoples and Fatherlands
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:58:37 -0400 


Hi Dan,

Your point is well taken. In many places Nietzsche talks about "peoples"
as if they were homogeneous masses. However, in many other places he
describes cultures (and values) as the creation of exceptional
individuals. I tend more to the latter view, but of course it is
debatable. As well, it might be argued that exceptional individuals are
ultimately created by the cultures or societies in which they find
themselves, but to me that seems too Hegelian and nihilistic
("everything's the same, everything's equal") and not genealogical in
the spirit of Nietzsche.

Sean Saraq
Toronto

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dan Dzenkowski [SMTP:djdzenko-AT-students.wisc.edu]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 04, 1998 8:52 PM
> To:	nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject:	Peoples and Fatherlands
> 
> At 01:15 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Sean Saraq wrote:
> >Granted the Dutch as a people have not created or destroyed values.
> Has
> >any group, "as a people"?
> 
> From the thousand and one goals (Zarathustra)
> 
> Greeks: " 'You shall always be the first and excel all others: your
> jealous
> soul shall love no one, unless it be the friend'- that made the soul
> of the
> Greeks quiver: thus he walked the path of greatness."
> 
> Persians " 'To speak the truth and to handle bow and arrow well' -
> that
> seemed both dear and difficult to the people who gave me my name-the
> name
> which is both dear and difficult to me."        Zoroastrianism
> 
> Jews " 'To honor the father and mother and to follow their will to the
> root
> of one's soul'- this was the tablet of overcoming that another people
> hung
> up over themselves and became powerful and eternal thereby."
> 
> Romans  " 'To practice loyalty and, for the sake of loyalty to risk
> honor
> and blood even for the evil and dangerous things' - with this teaching
> another people conquered themselves; and through this self-conquest
> they
> became pregnant and heavy with great hopes."
> 
> "Verily men gave themselves their good and evil. Verily, they did not
> take
> it, they did not find it, not did it come to them as a voice from
> heaven.
> Only man placed values in things to preserve himself- he alone created
> meaning for things, a human meaning.  Therefore he calls himself
> 'man'
> which means: the esteemer."
> 
> Do the Dutch esteem?
> Do they esteem like the Germans?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> I read Deleuze's account of the symbolism and interpretation of the
> Ariadne
> riddle today, it was very interesting.  I never saw Dionysius as the
> bull in
> the labyrinth.
> 
> 
> 
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