From: "Juan Cruz" <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: nietzsche-digest V1 #713 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:53:12 PST hey hey "The eagles attack in straight line." The nobility of the soul is easy to acknowledge for the absolute and rudeness that it uses to attack: "straight". -WP-944-Friedrich Nietzsche >From: BERNARD R <chaimberel-AT-juno.com> >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Subject: Re: nietzsche-digest V1 #713 >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:22:13 -0800 > > > > > >On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:25:31 GMT nietzsche-digest ><owner-nietzsche-digest-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> writes: > > > > nietzsche-digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 01 : > > Number 713 > > > > > > > > In this issue: > > =============> > > > Tragic Optimist Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to > > power > > "Juan Cruz" Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to > > power > > "Juan Cruz" Re: the ubermenschen revealed? > > > > zatavu-AT-excite.com Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to > > power > > "yinyang 100" Re: FW 347 > > > > "yinyang 100" Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to > > power > > willhelm Thorn nihillism > > > > Syphon Soul Re: nihillism > > > > "Daniel J. Dzenkowski Re: nihillism > > > > willhelm Thorn Re: nihillism > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) > > From: Tragic Optimist <tragicoptimist-AT-yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > > > However: > > alcohol can also be seen as aiding the will to power. > > If you consider some version of Yaung's > > ego/shadow theory, alcohol lessens the ego's control > > and thus allows for the shadow (also part of the > > individual) to show through. Will is also contained > > within the shadow, therefore alcohol can actually > > relese some repressed power of the will. > > > > > Juan Cruz wrote: > > > > > > > alcohol kills the will to power. Don't eat between > > > meals, don't eat fat and > > > > do some exercise, work the muscles. Our thoughts > > > come from our muscles, do > > > > not sit for a long time the body and the muscles > > > need movement. Parties kill > > > > the will to power (I remember in The Wanderer and > > > His Shadow Nietzsche > > > > talking about underdeveloped countries and why is > > > it that they don't develop > > > > themselves which is due to too much energies spent > > > at wine and parties :-) > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > --- from list > > > nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > --- > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:15:50 PST > > From: "Juan Cruz" <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > > > but only for a few minutes, after the effect of alcohol goes away it > > > > decreases the feelings of power, it gives you a feeling of weakness > > > > >From: Tragic Optimist <tragicoptimist-AT-yahoo.com> > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >However: > > >alcohol can also be seen as aiding the will to power. > > >If you consider some version of Yaung's > > > ego/shadow theory, alcohol lessens the ego's control > > >and thus allows for the shadow (also part of the > > >individual) to show through. Will is also contained > > >within the shadow, therefore alcohol can actually > > >relese some repressed power of the will. > > > > > > > Juan Cruz wrote: > > > > > > > > > alcohol kills the will to power. Don't eat between > > > > meals, don't eat fat and > > > > > do some exercise, work the muscles. Our thoughts > > > > come from our muscles, do > > > > > not sit for a long time the body and the muscles > > > > need movement. Parties kill > > > > > the will to power (I remember in The Wanderer and > > > > His Shadow Nietzsche > > > > > talking about underdeveloped countries and why is > > > > it that they don't develop > > > > > themselves which is due to too much energies spent > > > > at wine and parties :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > --- from list > > > > nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > >http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:21:35 PST > > From: "Juan Cruz" <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: the ubermenschen revealed? > > > > HOWEVER, not following him but using his guidelines, and the school > > of > > discipline, he claimed that the un-disciplined is weak, i.e. the > > military > > schools make you strong :) > > > > > > >From: "Daniel J. Dzenkowski" <djdzenko-AT-students.wisc.edu> > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Subject: Re: the ubermenschen revealed? > > >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:48:27 -0600 > > > > > >The major question in your > > > >post is whether Nietzsche is an overman > > > > > >The overman is the type of person that overcomes resentment and > > creates new > > >values through doing this. Did Nietzsche overcome resentment? I > > think to > > >a large degree. Did he create new values? "Become Hard" > > > > > > I take his remark about > > > >followers to mean that there is a class of people who are not > > followers > > >but > > > >see on there own the goal that he sees. > > > > > >This is correct. He does not want his disciples to live in his > > image, he > > >wants them to create their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:37:11 -0800 (PST) > > From: zatavu-AT-excite.com > > Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:38:34 PST, > > nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > wrote: > > > > > alcohol kills the will to power. Don't eat between meals, don't > > eat fat > > and > > > do some exercise, work the muscles. Our thoughts come from our > > muscles, > > do > > > not sit for a long time the body and the muscles need movement. > > Parties > > kill > > > the will to power (I remember in The Wanderer and His Shadow > > Nietzsche > > > talking about underdeveloped countries and why is it that they > > don't > > develop > > > themselves which is due to too much energies spent at wine and > > parties > > :-) > > > > But do not forget Dionysos, who is the god of wine and parties. He > > and > > Nietzsche are one in his mind. And muscles are not all. We must sit > > for a > > long time in order to read and learn and expand our minds, which is > > where > > real strenght emanates. Remember, Nietzsche was not a body builder, > > but a > > scholar who sat around and read and wrote a lot. And while many of > > those he > > recognized as Ubermensche were physically strong, like Julius > > Ceasar, > > others, like Mozart, were not. Strength comes in many forms. > > > > Troy Camplin > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:54:27 PST > > From: "yinyang 100" <yinyang100-AT-hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: FW 347 > > > > jamin: > > the comment you sent was very interesting. you said that there was > > no > > obvious comparison on zen buddhism and the philo of N, please > > enlighten me. > > this is also essential in my work. > > nonetheless, in a section in the antichrist, nietzche discusses > > buddhism and > > tells in his opinion that buddhism to him is more realistic than > > xtianity. > > he was never really hostile about it. > > > > however, in my studies, i have seen related comparisons with the > > east and > > west. most specifically buddhism and existentialism. this is quite > > interesting because these are two very opposite sides of the poles. > > for > > example the noumenon/phenomen to brahman/atman. > > and of course, both poles agree that suffering is the root of > > consciousness > > and the strife to live couragously despite the tragic sense of life. > > these > > are just personnal, random views, i'm definite there are many > > others. this > > has led me to the nietzsche/zen comparison. gladly, i've found some > > distinct > > similarities. for example > > > > 1) on voluntary death > > the shoguns regard that death should be a festival. taking their > > lives > > without remorse > > 2) on amor fati > > 3) on nihilism > > the zen path is lead towards the annihilation of the ego. Nietzsche > > as well > > resolves that man is destined to realize nothingness. > > 3)on becoming > > to N, becoming is equivalent value every moment. the total value of > > the > > world cannot be evaluated. disregard of this could lead to > > consequent > > philosophical pessimism (a big slap on the face for schopenhouer) > > which to > > nietzsche is highly comical. > > zen, however, tries to enhance our instinctive nature, living for > > the > > moment, highly sensitive to the now, towards the attainment of an > > enlightened being. > > > > there are many others. and im eager to discuss it. > > to the nietzche fanatic: i encourage you to read zen. it will humor > > you, > > specially for the fact that a peculiar culture back east (thousands > > of ages > > old) could be in parallel with what nietzche calls advanced thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jamin <ben2-AT-mail.microserve.net> > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Subject: Re: FW 347 > > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:36:53 -0800 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [128.143.2.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBA75C3A2004DD820F3BC808F02098DCB0; Thu Feb 17 14:39:30 2000 > > >Received: from lists.village.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id > > aa06959; > > > 17 Feb 2000 17:39 EST > > >Received: (from domo-AT-localhost)by lists.village.virginia.edu > > (8.9.3/8.9.0) > > >id WAA28489for nietzsche-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:36:00 GMT > > >Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net > > [207.44.0.4])by > > >lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA25157for > > ><nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:35:53 > > -0500 > > >Received: from n2u8x2 (du55159.ind.ptd.net [207.44.55.159])by > > >mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with SMTP id SAA23256for > > ><nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:08:51 > > -0500 > > >(EST) > > >From owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Thu Feb 17 14:40:39 > > 2000 > > >X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set > > sender to > > >owner-nietzsche-AT-localhost using -f > > >Message-ID: <000801bf79b0$a3857260$02000003-AT-n2u8x2> > > >MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at > > > > >mail.virginia.edu > > >References: <4.1.20000217121008.00947380-AT-students.wisc.edu> > > ><4.1.20000217144118.00948bd0-AT-students.wisc.edu> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > >Sender: owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >I think we should be very careful not to apply Western standards to > > the > > >East. Just because it is believed that suffering might be a worthy > > part of > > >existence doesn't mean that it is. In fact it is critical that we > > keep in > > >mind that Nietzsche, Kant, and Schoppenhauer are all probably > > dangerous men > > >to listen to when it comes to Eastern thought being paradigmatic of > > Western > > >thought. However, for the students sake who started this > > conversation it > > >might be concluded that there is no real comparison between Zen > > Buddhism > > >and > > >Nietzsche, Nietzsche representing a hostile position with respect > > to it. > > >By > > >the way is there a difference between will power and the will to > > power? I > > >seem to remember something about Nietzsche abandoning the will to > > power as > > >a > > >philosophical position only to have it resurrected by his > > anti-Semitic > > >sister. > > >BenB. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Daniel J. Dzenkowski <djdzenko-AT-students.wisc.edu> > > >To: <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:55 PM > > >Subject: Re: FW 347 > > > > > > > > > > At 03:02 PM 2/17/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >It strikes me that Nietzsche is hopelessly incorrect about the > > birth of > > > > >Buddhism. In fact he seems to be giving away a profound > > ignorance of > > >its > > > > >roots if what you say is correct. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you are reading too much into what I wrote. Nietzsche > > was a > > >great > > > > admirer of Schoppenhauer whom understood Buddhism quite well and > > >introduced > > > > it to western philosophy in conjunction with Kant. > > > > > > > > Buddhism, at least Theravada Buddhism, is a solitary > > > > >challenging path of reducing desire not of abandoning will > > power. > > > > > > > > But what is will power? Nietzsche thinks that desire is a large > > part of > > > > the will to power. The desire to expand and increase the > > potential of > > >your > > > > life in the real world is the greatest desire and is the will to > > power. > > >In > > > > Zarathustra Nietzsche says that everything is will to power. In > > > > >addition, > > > > Nietzsche dislikes Buddhism because it attempts to escape the > > pain of > > > > desire through abandonment of the real world. Pain is a > > necessary part > > >of > > > > the world and a method by which one can gain power in life > > through the > > > > eternal recurrence. A Buddhist would stop instantly with the > > eternal > > > > recurrence, because of pain. I am sure that it is challenging > > to try > > >and > > > > reduce the pain in your life, but this may be the best part of > > life and > > >the > > > > Buddhist refuses himself access to it. > > > > > > > > It also seems to me that > > > > >Nietzsche to some extent lived a life similar to that of a > > Buddhists in > > >that > > > > >he did not appear to pursue comfort. > > > > > > > > This does not mean that he did not avoid suffering. He has many > > things > > >to > > > > say about why the Stoics and Epicureans have a sickness of the > > will. > > > > > > > > I think if he would have had better > > > > >information he would have felt differently about Buddhists, > > >Theravadists > > >at > > > > >least and probably Zen Buddhists as well. > > > > > > > > Check out Schoppenhauer's World as Will and you will see that he > > did. > > > > > > > > Cordially, > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 05:25:59 PST > > From: "yinyang 100" <yinyang100-AT-hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > > > you can do whatever the hell you want to do with your life. be > > yourself and > > be authentic. lets not forget that the will to power is subjective. > > > > > > >From: Juan Cruz <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:15:50 PST > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: [63.24.128.101] > > >Received: from [128.143.2.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBA7E260200BBD820F3AD808F0209DB9E0; Wed Feb 23 23:17:23 2000 > > >Received: from lists.village.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id > > aa08773; > > > 24 Feb 2000 2:17 EST > > >Received: (from domo-AT-localhost)by lists.village.virginia.edu > > (8.9.3/8.9.0) > > >id HAA25254for nietzsche-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:16:10 GMT > > >Received: from hotmail.com (f187.law4.hotmail.com > > [216.33.149.187])by > > >lists.village.virginia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA32671for > > ><nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:16:03 > > -0500 > > >Received: (qmail 66152 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 07:15:50 > > -0000 > > >Received: from 63.24.128.101 by www.hotmail.com with > > HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 > > >23:15:50 PST > > >From owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Wed Feb 23 23:18:04 > > 2000 > > >X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set > > sender to > > >owner-nietzsche-AT-localhost using -f > > >Message-ID: <20000224071550.66151.qmail-AT-hotmail.com> > > >Sender: owner-nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > > >but only for a few minutes, after the effect of alcohol goes away > > it > > >decreases the feelings of power, it gives you a feeling of weakness > > > > > >>From: Tragic Optimist <tragicoptimist-AT-yahoo.com> > > >>Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >>Subject: Re: alcohol and parties kill the will to power > > >>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) > > >> > > >>However: > > >>alcohol can also be seen as aiding the will to power. > > >>If you consider some version of Yaung's > > >> ego/shadow theory, alcohol lessens the ego's control > > >>and thus allows for the shadow (also part of the > > >>individual) to show through. Will is also contained > > >>within the shadow, therefore alcohol can actually > > >>relese some repressed power of the will. > > >> > > >> > Juan Cruz wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > alcohol kills the will to power. Don't eat between > > >> > meals, don't eat fat and > > >> > > do some exercise, work the muscles. Our thoughts > > >> > come from our muscles, do > > >> > > not sit for a long time the body and the muscles > > >> > need movement. Parties kill > > >> > > the will to power (I remember in The Wanderer and > > >> > His Shadow Nietzsche > > >> > > talking about underdeveloped countries and why is > > >> > it that they don't develop > > >> > > themselves which is due to too much energies spent > > >> > at wine and parties :-) > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>______________________________________________________ > > >> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > >> > http://www.hotmail.com > > >> > > > > >> > > --- from list > > >> > nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >> > --- > > >> > > > >> > > > >>__________________________________________________ > > >>Do You Yahoo!? > > >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > >>http://im.yahoo.com > > >> > > >> > > >> --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > >> > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:49:53 -0800 (PST) > > From: willhelm Thorn <nikollet-AT-aSurfer.com> > > Subject: nihillism > > > > Any thaughts about nietzsche and nihillism? > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Get your free Surfer email account at: http://www.aSurfer.com > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:13:24 +0100 > > From: Syphon Soul <haengen-AT-c2i.net> > > Subject: Re: nihillism > > > > willhelm Thorn wrote: > > > > > Any thaughts about nietzsche and nihillism? > > > > > > > Nietzsche despised nihilism... seeing it as only a version of > > apathy.... he desperatly sought to cure the nihilism he himself > > created... > > > > To what extent he succeded I am not to say. > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:32:08 -0600 > > From: "Daniel J. Dzenkowski" <djdzenko-AT-students.wisc.edu> > > Subject: Re: nihillism > > > > At 05:49 PM 2/28/00 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > >Any thaughts about nietzsche and nihillism? > > What brand do you have in mind? > > nihilism ("naIhIlIz(-AT-)m, "nI-). > > [f. L. nihil nothing + -ism. Cf. F. nihilisme, Sp. nihilismo, It. > > nichilismo, G. > > nihilismus, Russ. nigilizm.] > > 1. Negative doctrines in religion or morals; total rejection of > > current > > religious beliefs or moral principles. > > > > 2. Philos. > > a. An extreme form of scepticism, involving the denial of all > > existence. > > > > 1957 E. Mayer in P. A. Schilpp Philos. K. Jaspers xi. 451 Jaspers > > vividly > > describes nihilism as a symptom of mental illness or..as a > > manifestation of > > ultimate situations in which a human being can find himself in > > depressions and > > schizophrenias. > > > > 1880 Frasers Mag. May 65 Atheism is, in many respects, the Nihilism > > of the > > intellect and conscience. > > 4. Theol. Nihilianism. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:25:04 -0800 (PST) > > From: willhelm Thorn <nikollet-AT-aSurfer.com> > > Subject: Re: nihillism > > > > Why is nihilism inevitable for nietztsche? > > How was he able to overcome nihilism? > > I find it absurd why nietzsche calls the concept of God as > > nihilistic. > > > > > > - --- Syphon Soul <nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> wrote: > > >willhelm Thorn wrote: > > > > > >> Any thaughts about nietzsche and nihillism? > > >> > > > > > > Nietzsche despised nihilism... seeing it as only a version of > > >apathy.... he desperatly sought to cure the nihilism he himself > > >created... > > > > > >To what extent he succeded I am not to say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Email Powered by Everyone.net > > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of nietzsche-digest V1 #713 > > ******************************* > > > > > --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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