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From: "Jeanette Quick" <jelquick-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nietzsche was an optimist
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:32:59 PST


Interesting stance, Juan

>From: Juan Cruz <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: Nietzsche was an optimist
>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:14:34 PST
>
>IGNORE Jeanette. SHE IS an ELITIST BASTARD! ! !
>
>
>>From: Jeanette Quick <jelquick-AT-hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>Subject: Re: Nietzsche was an optimist
>>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:27:40 PST
>>
>>Nietzsche against Rand?  The two are not wholly incompatible--indeed, Rand
>>formed the basis of her philosophy along Nietzschean lines... in We the
>>Living and even in the Fountainhead evidence of the influence of Nietzsche
>>on Objectivism is readily apparent.  The real break did not come until the
>>second revision of The Fountainhead and, ultimately, in Atlas Shrugged...
>>Their basic conflict is only in emotion as part of reason... which Rand 
>>did
>>not agree with (... many of her characters are unemotional and their
>>stoicism is seen almost as in ideal) while Nietzsche seems to hold that
>>emotion is a part of reason.
>>
>>>From: "Evan A. Leeson" <evan-AT-monsterchops.com>
>>>Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>>>Subject: Re: Nietzsche was an optimist
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:53:04 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>>The type manifesting in Paul Bryant wrote
>>>
>>> >There is ample reason here to
>>> > detest Nietzscheans, and perhaps even Nietzsche
>>> > himself for rendering such slavish appropriations
>>> > possible.
>>>
>>>I gather from this we are to detest - to hate, to loathe - Nietzsche for
>>>the
>>>'dangers inherent' in his works. Why would I want to spend any time doing
>>>this? Do we want exact some revenge from the ghost of Nietzsche for the
>>>horrors of the camps, or perhaps just for the way the Objectivist Society
>>>on
>>>campus keeps pitting Nietzsche against Rand. Do we reach a point where we
>>>have loathed enough, hated sufficiently that we may then move on to dwell
>>>solely on the beneficial insight of his work? Do we hate adequately, and
>>>keep an accounting of that hating, so we may answer when confronted with
>>>the
>>>perenial 'what about the Nazis' question that we have hated Nietzsche 146
>>>units of hate and have thus expelled any culpability or complicity? Is
>>>this
>>>loathing a distilling process? Or is it an Augustinian device preventing
>>>erection of too much yes-saying in the world?
>>>
>>>Perhaps I have misunderstood you. Perhaps I have mistakenly labelled you
>>>reactive, and you are actually quite different, really after something
>>>else
>>>when you say we should detest Nietzsche. It may be that, like Hitler
>>>strutting with Nietzsche's own walking stick, I have misinterpreted you
>>>and
>>>have used your words for some unintended purpose. For my error think I
>>>shall
>>>detest...you.
>>>
>>>
>>>For the New Year - I still live, I still think: I still have to live for 
>>>I
>>>still have to think. Sum, ergo cogito: cogito, ergo sum. Today everybody
>>>permits himself the expression of his wish and his dearest thought: hence
>>>I,
>>>too, shall say what it is to run across my heart this year - what thought
>>>shall be for me the reason, warranty, and sweetness of my life 
>>>henceforth.
>>>I
>>>want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in
>>>things;
>>>then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let
>>>that
>>>be my love henceforth! I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to
>>>accuse
>>>those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all
>>>and
>>>on the whole: some day I wish to be a Yes-sayer.
>>>
>>>GS 276
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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