From: "Juan Cruz" <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: How come most great men, thinkers, geniouses, were not athlet es?? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:22:01 PDT <html><DIV id=cdiv> <P><STRONG>cool comment</STRONG>, thanks. First of all I just wanna say that your words are small, hehe maybe u used 10 size. And you are right about asking if Nietzsche's power is power over men, nations, a 500 lb weight, economical power, etc. I think, and I believe I am very right in this, that Nietzsche's power does not have to do anything with power over men as Hitler's power. Nietzsche's power is a power to stand pain and sacrifice (as when you're on a diet or with an empty stomach and some one asks you if you want a pizza slice, and then you reply "no thanks" even though you are dying of hunger). <BR>In one part of WTP he said: "I understand the will to power as the way in which stand pain, and suffering turning it into for our own benefit" <BR><BR>Now there is a guy here who said that because Alexander the Great, Caesar, Napoleon had muscle strength or were athletes, that physical power is necessary in order to be a great men. BUT, *however* you have to understand it from a physical antrhopology's point of view which tells us that with the emerging of Industrialism and technology in the lasts 200 years, mankind has being relying more on mental abilities and culture than on bodily-strength which was necessary for survival in food-foragin socities. <BR>Remember Alexander The Great drove a horse. Today there are F22s, Tanks and Radar Guided missiles for war-fare. <BR>Like in the Movie Superman III, in which Mr. Webscoe the Wealthy millionaire states: "Today everything is done pushing buttons" <BR>>From: Jorge Gonzalez Nakazawa <JNAKAZAWA-AT-SOFTTEK.COM><BR>>Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu <BR>>To: "'nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu '" <NIETZSCHE-AT-LISTS.VILLAGE.VIRGINIA.EDU><BR>>Subject: RE: How come most great men, thinkers, geniouses, were not athlet es?? <BR>>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:24:15 -0500 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>I see two sides to your comment. First, regarding intelectuals and geniuses, <BR>>In those persons the strenghts and abilities they develop the most tend not <BR>>to be physical, but intellectual, therefore it is the wrong question to <BR>>ponder why there is no correlation between physical muscle power and <BR>>intellectual men. By whatever reason, (natural talent, education, personal <BR>>choice) they have decided to nurture their intellectual side. <BR>> <BR>>The second (and the one that I find most interesting ) side to your comment. <BR>>I am not sure that among the great men of history there is a smaller <BR>>proportion of athletes than among the general population. (and on this we <BR>>should have first agreed on who are the "great men of history", but let's <BR>>define this group of men as the ones that are cited in most history texts. ) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>We have little evidence to settle the question one way or the other, but <BR>>some of the great men of history, even if not proper athletes, must have <BR>>been quite strong physically. The likes of Alexander the Great, Hannibal, <BR>>Gengis Khan, must have been strong, if one is to judge them by their deeds. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>There is also a question that springs from my former comment. We are <BR>>discussing about physical strength, intelectuals, geniuses and great men of <BR>>history in relation to Nietzsche's Will to Power( WTP). You ask: "If <BR>>Physical muscle power is a form of will to power, how come most <BR>>intellectuals, great men or history, geniouses, were not strong <BR>>physically?" <BR>> <BR>>First I must ask: Can we really say that intellectuals, great men of history <BR>>and geniuses are to be taken as examples of men who have WTP? Does Nietzsche <BR>>Will to Power requires that a man who has WTP should become a great man of <BR>>history? Conversely, is WTP a prerequisite to be an intellectual, great man <BR>>of history or genius? <BR>> <BR>>I say that we cannot as a rule, consider intelectuals and geniuses as <BR>>indiviuduals with great WTP. There are intelectuals and geniuses who have <BR>>WTP and there are those who are as sterile as Nietzsche's Last Man. <BR>> <BR>>Dan said "everything is Will to Power". It is everything that says I want or <BR>>I will as an expresion of its desire and need to live. We must be carefull <BR>>to remain objective and not to take the things we hold dear and claim they <BR>>are closer to WTP than others. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>We must perhaps begin by asking ourselves what do we undertand by <BR>>Nietzsche's term: Will to Power? What does it means to you? Does it mean <BR>>achieving Power over men, over nations, over nature, over oneself? Power to <BR>>do as one pleases or desires without regard for others? <BR>> <BR>>Jorge Gonzalez Nakazawa <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>-----Original Message----- <BR>>From: Juan Cruz <BR>>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu <BR>>Sent: 21/04/00 14:45 <BR>>Subject: How come most great men, thinkers, geniouses, were not athletes?? <BR>> <BR>>If Physical muscle power is a form of will to power, how come most <BR>>intellectuals, great men or history, geniouses, were not strong <BR>>physically. <BR>>Even today. How come most strong men of muscles of today are not great <BR>>men <BR>>or thinkers?? <BR>> I think that when one devotes too much energy to the body, one denies <BR>>the <BR>>mind. In simple words, strenous sports and/or physical labor causes <BR>>fatigue, <BR>>tiredness which block reading/studying performance <BR>>________________________________________________________________________ <BR>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- <BR></P></DIV><p><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com/">http://www.hotmail.com</a><br></html> --- from list nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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