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From: "Juan Cruz" <juancarloscruz-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Does lifting weights to increase muscle power increases Nietzsche's power??
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:36:21 PDT


George: I've just found some part in WTP where Nietzsche talks a lot about 
the body as a tool of dominion, or power, in fact some even call him the 
Philosopher of embodiment, as the body is the subject through were our river 
of energie flows. Ok! here he says this: "It is more important to have faith 
in the body, than the soul, this last one (the soul) came out as a 
supersition of priests and semi-priests of the agony of dreams"

In anothe part N says: "ALl our best thoughts, all our strongest thoughts, 
are judgements of our muscles" and in Part 57 of The ANticrhist he mentions 
in the higher ranks of men (remember he loved ranks) those of mental 
strength and physical strength

OH and I really loved this quote talking about the Aristocratic caste:
HE goes on in Beyond Good and Evil, and says this: "The Aristocratic caste 
which were in their origins the caste of the Barbarians, their power was 
based on PHYSICAL power and not MENTAL power, they were men, beasts, more 
complete.."

I know that we cnanot understand N literally but I believe there in those 
parts he is talking pretty much about the body or physicallity


>From: "George L. Sherwood" Reply-To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
>To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Subject: Re: Does lifting weights 
>to increase muscle power increases Nietzsche's power?? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 
>2000 16:43:03 -0700
>
>Nietzsche's *Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks* recently 
>crystallized his meaning for me of the Will to Power. The Will to Power is 
>the free spirit who has come to know how the love of his amor fati is the 
>law he must obey, and it is his alone. ("We understand fate as the 
>principle that guides us in our unconscious activity" HKA 68.) Our 
>"stillest hour" is when we know without words, know through instinct, as an 
>animal does. ("He is *unable* to do anything other than translate his state 
>every time into the most spiritual form and distance: this art of 
>transfiguration *is* precisely philosophy" JS O3.) This is how we are 
>animal. Intuition rules and carries us to ever newer heights away from 
>words and reason, into the Dionysion. Morality is a set of words used to 
>define in Apollonian terms what life should be, but simply because it uses 
>words it cannot know, because by relying on words it has already lost its 
>Will to Power. Exercise and nutrition are important lest we fall the way of 
>the artist:
>
>"The ceaseless desire to create and looking to the outside on the part of 
>the artist prevents him from becoming more beautiful and better as a 
>person, from creating *himself*--unless his ambition is great enough to 
>compel him to show himself as equal to the growing beauty and greatness of 
>his works in his life with other people as well. In any case he has only a 
>certain amount of energy: whatever he uses to work on *himself*, how could 
>this be used for his *work*?-- and vice versa" (AOM 102).
>
>So it would depend on what one's art is. But if we need more and more 
>stimulation it is because we avoid our "stillest hour" and our Will to 
>Power, we have not yet the courage to face our subconscious and all it may 
>spit out of the sea.
>
>btw, I intentionally neglected to quote from *Philosophy in the Tragic Age 
>of the Greeks* only because I wonder first if anyone else has read it yet. 
>Hope so.
>
>George
>
>
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