Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:28:23 +0530
From: "Chand B. Rangwani" <indi_orpheus-AT-crosswinds.net>
Subject: Re: Can we create the overman?


I don' there ever was an overman or there will be one. If striving and
becoming are the qualities of an overman, we can only approximate to Godhood,
we can never get there. We cannot overcome our type, our speciation. But we
can try to overcome lots of our biological and social baggage - including the
deep-seated needs to believe in absolutes.

Goethe wasn't the overman: Faust was. While Faust could destroy his soul, he
was unable to destroy his painful consciousness.  Christians see Faust as a
villain of sorts because they think he merely bargained his soul for earthly
power. But Goethe puts an additional proviso:  his soul is only to be forfeit
to the devil  if he ever remains satisfied with the passing moment. Critics
like Erich Heller descibe him as a man disillusioned enough to have lost
contact with the primal source of strength, but to my mind it was just the
opposite. Faust was the greatest exmplar of not just the Dionysian within man,
but also of Nz's concept of amor faiti. He was the overman, but he wasn't
real.

Juan Cruz wrote:

> even though such type of men are very rare I'd say there have been some
> great men in History.
>   I like the inspirational movies like Rocky IV they give us some
> stimulation, remember art makes u stronger. (work) is what blocks us from
> getting there, remember Bob Black
>
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> >To: nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >Subject: Re: Can we create the overman?
> >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:05:31 +0200, nietzsche-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >wrote:
> >
> > >  I wonder, is it possible for us through technology or dicipline, or
> >whatnot, to
> > >  create an overman?
> > >
> > >  Any thoughts would well be savioured.
> >
> >HItler tried that. He too missed the point of the overman. He cannot be
> >created, only self-created. Only those who embrace becoming rather than
> >being, who become Dionysian in nature can become overman. There have been
> >overmen. Goethe, Mozart, Ceasar, Napoleon, just to name a few.
> >
> >Troy Camplin
> > >
> > >  Haakon Engen
> > >
> > >
> > >
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